Tobacco Mosaic Virus?!!

[Saro01]

So really quick so that you're 100% on the same page here. I have two tents going currently. They were all started in the same tent and were very recently moved. Autos in one, photos in the other. The plants that appear the most effected(affected? I never get them right) one eh hem, barneys Farm cookies kush, I've not had the best luck with barneys so this is actually what I had earlier dubbed "barneys last stand" in my black book. Haha. So that photo, which resided next to the two auto critical. One of the those, the closest to the photo, has the splotches all over, and honestly, neither of those crits are very attractive plants, Harty and aside from, healthy as far I can see. They are both crusing right along. Appear to be little girls, never grown this strain before. And lastly a blackberry auto, absolutely no signs of verigation or splotches of density (that's the best way I can describe what it looks like up close). All the same age, roughly inside a week ish. Also my humidity I believe I stated was 50rh, it's 40 recently, about last two weeks or so. Plants are all 4-5 weeks old. Thanks again, tremendously.

 

[Capt.Quirk]

This was the subject of this week's GWE's newsletter. I didn't read the article as it doesn't pertain to my grows.

 

[Proph]

You da man! Thanks for giving me this kind of your time good sir. I get what you're saying on the feeding. As far additives. I was thinking that as well. This is my first FULL run with mega crop. Normally I don't start feeding my autos until, usually, full blown flower. At least with coco loco. But it was recommended to me that I begin about week 2ish with 1 gram mega, half gram of the candy, more for the microbes at this point I believe is why that additive was recommended so early. But I have seen quite a few mega crop runs where they too started with low dose candy as well. The mammoth p is every watering, recommended dose. I believe it's half ml per gal. The recharge is every other watering at the half teaspoon per gal rate. Their "normal" dosage I believe. And the cal mag, my thoughts there are honestly, I had a mean cal mag issue last grow. I have been under the impression through the years that, to an extent obviously, you can't really give too much cal mag. Again, for the general public, TO AN EXTENT. haha. Anyway. So that's mostly out of fear. New home new well water thing. So that's my thoughts and/or reasoning to the feeding.
With coco loco, honestly, I have found that a lower to mid 6 ph is right on. Reasoning, at least in my head, is that it ultimately is a soil, just a coco based rather than peat, say like ocean forest. Again, that's in my head and kind of what I've seen works with it. I have tried running lower, as what you should with coco, and did not have good results almost immediately. But I completely understand and agree with what you're saying there.
Now with that all being said. I agree with you and that was my first thought. I have not checked runoff on them yet, as for me, they are just now large enough not to drown them in their 3 gals. I plan on running a few tests over the this week. I'm not giving up on these ladies. Hey man, I can not tell you thank you enough for your time and help here. And I hope we're not done communicating. I'm hoping, that the over abundance of soil microbes I apparently love to straight pump into this coco loco hahaha, that it is having a drastic effect on water/soil ph. If you follow me there. I'd like to let you know how it goes from here, if you don't mind? I'm going to run straight ph adjusted water through, not so much a flush, but I'd like to see some decent runoff from the center under the pot if you know what I mean. I'm going to check ph on the first bit of run off, vs the last. Compare, think, laugh. Then report back here what I'm finding. Then repeat that in a few days when the next good watering is needed. My guess, 4-5 days ath this height and condition in their playroom. Ha. What do think about that plan?

No worries. I try to help when and where I can around here.. Im not sure where your info is coming from, but just scroll through some these infirmary posts.. You will see that a large number of them are calcium or magnesium lock outs. You can over feed any nutrient. Calcium is easy to over do because of all the misinformation about it and autos and coco.. Calcium is in the medium, it's heavy in mega crop, it's dang near everywhere.. And plants dont need much of it. Deficiencies do not automatically mean "add more". Do a Google search on nutrient lock out and ph lock out.. Search calcium lock out in particular. You can also search signs of ph issues. I would check the ph as soon as possible.. You can't over water coco.. (coco loco is not soil, it's coco).. As a new grower there will be times in which you will need to choose a path.. There will be many presented to you.. This happens to be one of those moments.. You can choose to listen to the internet.. Listen to yourself, or listen to the plant. I've done all three.. I choose to now only listen to the plant. It is telling you there is a problem.. It is physically showing you that something is wrong. And just like when a infant cries, its your job to figure out what the issue is.

You are doing the right thing by doing research and reaching out for help! You were just researching the wrong thing. I think if you Google a term like "light green new growth with twisted leaves" it will lead you down the right rabbit hole.

 

[Saro01]

This was the subject of this week's GWE's newsletter. I didn't read the article as it doesn't pertain to my grows.

Im sorry, im out of the loop on stuff. GWE?

 

[Saro01]

No worries. I try to help when and where I can around here.. Im not sure where your info is coming from, but just scroll through some these infirmary posts.. You will see that a large number of them are calcium or magnesium lock outs. You can over feed any nutrient. Calcium is easy to over do because of all the misinformation about it and autos and coco.. Calcium is in the medium, it's heavy in mega crop, it's dang near everywhere.. And plants dont need much of it. Deficiencies do not automatically mean "add more". Do a Google search on nutrient lock out and ph lock out.. Search calcium lock out in particular. You can also search signs of ph issues. I would check the ph as soon as possible.. You can't over water coco.. (coco loco is not soil, it's coco).. As a new grower there will be times in which you will need to choose a path.. There will be many presented to you.. This happens to be one of those moments.. You can choose to listen to the internet.. Listen to yourself, or listen to the plant. I've done all three.. I choose to now only listen to the plant. It is telling you there is a problem.. It is physically showing you that something is wrong. And just like when a infant cries, its your job to figure out what the issue is.

You are doing the right thing by doing research and reaching out for help! You were just researching the wrong thing. I think if you Google a term like "light green new growth with twisted leaves" it will lead you down the right rabbit hole.

Thanks, I'll report back soon with ph readings.

 

[GeorgeCloney]

@Saro01
If you're growing with Mega Crop.
My simplistic advice with this nute is go easy and increase.
I very much appreciate the advice Proph has been giving you towards calmag/PH relationships.

I'd like to publish a thesis on the subject here on the site, just for shitz and giggles.

My best success with MC and sweet candy has been using an EC pen.
Mix Sweet Candy into water to a 100ppm solution, then top up to 500-550ppm with MC.
There is plenty of calcium in MC...and plenty of magnesium in the sweet candy.
This combination will carry your growth right through to flower no problem.
Just make sure you keep an eye on your ph.
I use tap water (7.0ph).
With the mix I just proposed, expect your ph to drop to about 5.4-5.5
As Proph said, adjust your ph to about 5.8 and your plants will thrive.
Just keep an eye on the ph.

You CANNOT go wrong monitoring ph.
EVER

 

[Capt.Quirk]

Im sorry, im out of the loop on stuff. GWE?

GrowWeedEasy

 

[Saro01]

Thanks for the advice on the feeding as well. And oh yeah grow weed easy, nebula jank. The cal mag I'm adding is probably overkill I'm sure of it, but you think 1-2 grams of mega and a half gram of candy is not light? My last run I topped out at 5-6 grams mega and 2 candy and 2 bloom they offer. So many names in my head. That bum wine came out so good. Haha. Anyway, please don't read this as me being an asshole, I'm asking if you think that's heavy for three weeks? Also, ran my flush. Ph is dead on. Please, and maybe I am being crazy, but I've been running coco loco for a bit now at 6.2-6.6 with no nute issues. I'm very aware of a lower ph rec for coco grows, but this is very far from coco. It really is more like a soil. I will try to drop it down on one and see, because I never believe I know everything. And honestly, I hope that's the magic bullet, as the plants seem to be growing fine, just verigated and twisting on the one. I'll continue to update this post as I make adjustments. And again, I'm all ears. I will try to drop ph on the one to give you guys a shot on that lower number. I don't want you guys to think I'm not listening. Very good advice across the board. So, I'm going to give it a shot and see where we end up. Learn some stuff along the way I'm guessing. Thanks everyone. You guys rock with the honesty and time you put fourth for me. It is very much appreciated. Keep you posted.

 

[Saro01]

Oh, i meant to add. I have not been checking ppms or ec at this stage as I've never had this issue. I will though obviously at this point and report those numbers soon. Just wanted to let proph know as he had recommended that route. All of my meters and such are quality and have recently been calibrated as well. Just haven't used them yet. I usually seem to break them out about the month mark which is soon coincidentally. Thanks again, keep you posted.

 

[Waira]

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