Grow Mediums Why organic nutrients do not work in coco

[420autoflower]

With all due respect! I beg to differ. I have grown 100 of pounds using the same method, and the equipment I use is far from top of the line. All my dry amendments grows are just as good or even better than Matt Canucks. Matt is right! It’s that simple! I don’t use Gaia Green but use the Down to Earth line in all my coco grows, and have excellent success. I don’t even bother with the Down to Earth 4-4-4, all mix into my coco is the 4-8-4 (Rose and Bloom). Top dress the coco every 20 days and water. Can’t get any easier than that! Check out some of my crops that I’ve posted and you will see the proof. I’ve have 4 more nice dry amendments crops that are close being done, that I will post soon too.
Using dry amendments is the easiest and most forgiving way to grow!

 

[420autoflower]

With all due respect! I beg to differ. I have grown 100 of pounds using the same method, and the equipment I use is far from top of the line. All my dry amendments grows are just as good or even better than Matt Canucks. Matt is right! It’s that simple! I don’t use Gaia Green but use the Down to Earth line in all my coco grows, and have excellent success. I don’t even bother with the Down to Earth 4-4-4, all mix into my coco is the 4-8-4 (Rose and Bloom). Top dress the coco every 20 days and water. Can’t get any easier than that! Check out some of my crops that I’ve posted and you will see the proof. I’ve have 4 more nice dry amendments crops that are close being done, that I will post soon too.
Using dry amendments is the easiest and most forgiving way to grow!

This is all you need!!!

 

[420autoflower]

Just harvested this crop before the holidays.
All plants grown with just Down to Earth 4-8-4

 

[BubbaGrows]

You have to know or understand how dry amendments work, and how they work with microbes. Same with coco coir. Learn what it is and how it works.. Learn about Coco and cation exchange. Coco is considered a form of hydro. Hydro means water based. Hydro growers do not use dry amendments.. The people who use dry amendments in coco aren't using plain old coco and perlite. They are using amended coco with several other things added to make it operated more like soil. Things like compost, microbes and organic matter. If you are switching to biotabs and coco, you will have the exact same problems and questions if you do not learn how these nutrients and mediums work. Bio Tabs is a slow release dry amendment. Its just compressed into the shape of a disk. The more you water, the more it releases.. Same as top dressing. The difference with bio tabs, is that you don't know what nutrients are being released, how much of it, or when. If you water to run off, it will still wash out some of the nutrients. Same issues.

Omg dude, NAIL ON THE Head!!! THANK UOU!!! I've been trying to explain this to everyone!!! It doesn't friggin work because the stuff in thE Firtilzer dries out sooooo fast,:/ by THE time a bean goes !!!! Shits ruined!!!! Gotta add EWC, like 25% percent to kick it in the butt!!! Throw some damn alfalfa, hell I will drop a few 3-4 tablespoon of F!SH Sh!t in iit. Then a good mix (mixing in a big plastic container) with my hands,get it 60-70%% wet place in 5 gal fab pots with dechlorinated ph'd water....under a dimmer for a day 18/6. ...THATS HOW YOU CREAT MICROBIAL LIKE!!

 

[420autoflower]

Omg dude, NAIL ON THE Head!!! THANK UOU!!! I've been trying to explain this to everyone!!! It doesn't friggin work because the stuff in thE Firtilzer dries out sooooo fast,:/ by THE time a bean goes !!!! Shits ruined!!!! Gotta add EWC, like 25% percent to kick it in the butt!!! Throw some damn alfalfa, hell I will drop a few 3-4 tablespoon of F!SH Sh!t in iit. Then a good mix (mixing in a big plastic container) with my hands,get it 60-70%% wet place in 5 gal fab pots with dechlorinated ph'd water....under a dimmer for a day 18/6. ...THATS HOW YOU CREAT MICROBIAL LIKE!!

Maybe I’ve been having good luck then. I just harvested this one and many more like it, and all I used was the Down to Earth 4-8-4 and recharge. Also, the coco I used was recycled coco/perlite mix from a previous grow. that just had leftover 4-8-4 in it, and nothing else. Believe me… it’s not that complicated.

 

[420autoflower]

The proof is in the pudding!
I can duplicate a grow like this again and again with very little effort. It’s not rocket science!
Also… the equipment I use is on the lower end. I use cheap $60 100 watt Maxisun lights, generic $85 4x2 grow tents, .15 cent plastic grow bags, recycled coco and I’m growing all ILGM auto seeds, that I buy when they have a 10 for 10 special. The seeds end up averaging less than $6.00 each.
I posted a full description and more pictures of the ILGM GG-4 auto grow in a indoor grow journal thread a couple days ago, if you’re interested in more details.

 

[420autoflower]

I am in my first grow and I tried dr earth dry slow release fertilizer mixed into the coco coir with perlite. It was recommended by many people on the forum to not do it. I tried it anyway and I wish I had not. I have learned my lesson on that and I am now trying a more proven method with biotabs for my next grow on there.

I would like to talk through the organic nutrients and why they do not work with someone that knows more about it. My understanding is that coco does not hold onto the nutrients like soil does and you also water coco like 2-3 times more often than you do with soil then if you follow the recommended levels on the bag that is recommended for soil it is more nutrients than the plants want since you are watering more often it releases the nutrients 2-3 times more often than it would in soil right? In coco if you water to runoff like is what many websites recommend then you water away the dry amendments you mixed into the coco. Then would you be able to do dry amendments in coco if you do like 1/3 of the recommended level mixed in with the coco and instead of watering to runoff you water it and let the pot sit in the runoff long enough to wick it back into the pot? Then it is not losing those nutrients and the plant gets it back when it wicks back up into the pot on there.

Then if you do a much lower amount of the nutrients mixed in to make up for the extra watering you do on coco with the not draining to waste and letting the plant wick the water with nutrients back into the pot would that not make it work better with coco? Like do 1/3 of the recommended amount of dry slow release organic fertilizer mixed into the pot then top dress it more often to make up for that on there.

I know that organic fertilizer in coco is not recommended and I am not planning to try dr earth dry fertilizer in my next grow I am just wanting to talk it out with those of you that know more about this than I do. I have read that many people are wanting to try dry amendments in coco then it would likely be helpful to them if there is a way to make that work on there.

The first and biggest mistake was watering to run off. I only give my plants what they need for the day. I start out with just a turkey baster full of water when the seedlings first sprout, then by the second week I bump it up to a cup of water, twice a day.

 

[olbobcat]

The first and biggest mistake was watering to run off. I only give my plants what they need for the day. I start out with just a turkey baster full of water when the seedlings first sprout, then by the second week I bump it up to a cup of water, twice a day.

You definitely see a difference when you water on the dry amendments. I am in soil using them and when you water you get a huge growth spurt. I have been watching and reading a lot about different people using dry. I used Gaia last time and it worked well as anything else I had used with a good harvest. I am doing the Greengro now and that is working nicely as well. Just not a lot out there on Greengro. I have seen good results including yours with Down to Earth. I have not seen good harvests with Dr Earth. The plant looked like they grew great but did not have any weight.
I plan on laying with Greengro for a while till I get a system down where I feel comfortable telling others what to do. All I can say now is it seems much stronger compared to Gaia. I have all three available locally. I use DR earth outdoors for Veggies. I have a bag of Tupur that will try on a few plants next grow, more worried about CalMag issue with the coco, but I will figure it out.

 

[420autoflower]

That’s great!
Glad to hear someone else has gotten good results with dry amendments in coco.
I started using Gaia Green a couple years ago, but living in California it was hard for me to purchase, let alone very expensive. The Down to Earth line is very to easy to get and Amazon even sells it. Its also very inexpensive, I can grow 2 pounds only using about $10 worth of amendments.
If you want to stay organic you can always use Down to Earth Dolomite Lime to supplement your cal/mag if you’re worried about it.

 

[olbobcat]

That’s great!
Glad to hear someone else has gotten good results with dry amendments in coco.
I started using Gaia Green a couple years ago, but living in California it was hard for me to purchase, let alone very expensive. The Down to Earth line is very to easy to get and Amazon even sells it. Its also very inexpensive, I can grow 2 pounds only using about $10 worth of amendments.
If you want to stay organic you can always use Down to Earth Dolomite Lime to supplement your cal/mag if you’re worried about it.
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I was running nectar for the gods before. So I have plenty of Calcium products I can add as needed and I have separate Mag as well.