what the heck happened

Yeah fair enough, like I said I’m new here and happy to stop posting in the infirmary. I’m not an expert, always learning new things and dealing with new issues every grow. I haven’t used Allmix, however I have used other strong soils, amended with guano too and I’ve never found them to last longer than 4 weeks feeding.

Look I’ll happily stop posting in the infirmary, you’re obviously well respected round here and here’s me only just turning up. I’ve only just started posting in a forum. I’ve had to figure all my own grow problems out myself, my gut feeling that it was a general hunger for everything. You must agree that every single leaf on that plant is pale. That to me is a sign of hunger. I might be completely wrong, if I am then I apologise to the OP. All the posts were straight onto the ph lockout theory which I’ve had myself, using old timers bloom and my plants looked different to microgrowers
Don't take me the wrong way bro! Im as cool as the other side of the pillow, lol. It's just frustrating and I don't mean to express that frustration towards you. You come from the same background as I did. I had to learn from my mistakes on my own... Until my mentor came along and showed me that almost all of the info I had "taught myself" was incorrect, lol. So I totally see how you would think under feeding first.. But once you know what a true hungry leaf looks like, it's clear as day. We all have that urge to want to help each other, that's what makes AFN so awesome! I would never ask you or anyone else to stop.. It's just tough when someone new has issues, and someone new gives them advice or says something like "I've never had that happen personally but this is what I'd do", lol. Yes, those leaves are pale.. But the soil started off with plenty of food, AND nutes are being used. Those two things are the facts we know. So if the plant stopped feeding or can't access the nutrients, our job as growers is to figure out why it's not eating. A ppm meter will give us that info. A ppm meter when used correctly can tell you exactly how much your plant is feeding and how often. It can also tell you when your soil has an excess of nutrients sitting it.. Which will cause ph flux and nutrient build up. So now we try to find the issue.. I bet money that the ppms are out of range and that nutrients are locked out.
 
Don't take me the wrong way bro! Im as cool as the other side of the pillow, lol. It's just frustrating and I don't mean to express that frustration towards you. You come from the same background as I did. I had to learn from my mistakes on my own... Until my mentor came along and showed me that almost all of the info I had "taught myself" was incorrect, lol. So I totally see how you would think under feeding first.. But once you know what a true hungry leaf looks like, it's clear as day. We all have that urge to want to help each other, that's what makes AFN so awesome! I would never ask you or anyone else to stop.. It's just tough when someone new has issues, and someone new gives them advice or says something like "I've never had that happen personally but this is what I'd do", lol. Yes, those leaves are pale.. But the soil started off with plenty of food, AND nutes are being used. Those two things are the facts we know. So if the plant stopped feeding or can't access the nutrients, our job as growers is to figure out why it's not eating. A ppm meter will give us that info. A ppm meter when used correctly can tell you exactly how much your plant is feeding and how often. It can also tell you when your soil has an excess of nutrients sitting it.. Which will cause ph flux and nutrient build up. So now we try to find the issue.. I bet money that the ppms are out of range and that nutrients are locked out.
Yeah same here pal, I’ve made a fair few mistake over the years, even this week!!!! I’m going to watch this thread with interest, always like to learn new things. OP I hope you get it sorted.
 
well, I don't have a ppm meter but I'm going to get one, is that an ec ?
 
Ppm or ph of the water/vinegar/nute mix? I'm following along just trying to learn as well.
Both! He had added vinegar to get water ph into zone....THEN ADDED THE NUTES! Needed to add the nutes then the vinegar (when he used that but prob needs real ph down if still needed) then test ph and ppm of solution! :thumbsup:
 
Ppm or ph of the water/vinegar/nute mix? I'm following along just trying to learn as well.
Right now, the ph of the water/vinegar/nutrient mix is what's important.. 2nd is the ppm of the run off. He stated that he added a spoonful of vinegar to a gallon of water, then added the nutrients.. No telling what that reaction caused. Nutrients should be added 1st before on adjusting is done.. The ph could have been 6.1 when he checked it, but 4.1 or 8.1 and hour later. Usually people use a dropper and add vinegar a drop at a time until the ph of the water is in range. ..Then they let it sit for a few minutes to make sure that the ph number is stable. Some nutrient lines require you to mix nutrients in a certain order or the nutrients will cancel each other out. Add part A before part B for example..
 
well, I don't have a ppm meter but I'm going to get one, is that an ec ?
Yes! And u can do ppm on your slurry cup like testing soils ph! That way u can tell if abundance of nutrients sitting in the soil! If so prob would need a flush and restart on the feedings but I’m new enough that’s just my internal guess not a recommendation amigo! :d5:
 
Right now, the ph of the water/vinegar/nutrient mix is what's important.. 2nd is the ppm of the run off. He stated that he added a spoonful of vinegar to a gallon of water, then added the nutrients.. No telling what that reaction caused. Nutrients should be added 1st before on adjusting is done.. The ph could have been 6.1 when he checked it, but 4.1 or 8.1 and hour later. Usually people use a dropper and add vinegar a drop at a time until the ph of the water is in range. ..Then they let it sit for a few minutes to make sure that the ph number is stable. Some nutrient lines require you to mix nutrients in a certain order or the nutrients will cancel each other out. Add part A before part B for example..
That’s why I warned him didn’t take much! I literally used the cap off the bottle and took only a fraction of it to drop it whole#’s (7.5-6.5ish) but it is def potent and doesn’t take but small amount!
 
well, I don't have a ppm meter but I'm going to get one, is that an ec ?
Yes sirrr.. Ppm and Ec are interchangeable terms. The ppm meter will be the best tool in your med kit!
 
If u invest in a good 1 (no idea your budget) but some good brands will tell u either ppm/EC since some nutrients tell u diff scale on their feed charts for how much to add to your nutrient mix!
 
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