Yea Tobe i can understand what your saying perfectly .. I have to admit I'm just jumping into this blind.. I dont have the real space i need to breed cannabis. I realy do need to grow out 30 like you did for selection. but i just cant.. So im just gonna have fun and try to learn a thing or two about breeding.. The Pinky pie X white widow is a male I have is a full 100% autoflower at F9 she was even backed crossed at F5 back to F1 i dont know why mag did that, stable i guess? the female is also a Full auto so im sure my F1 cross will be autoflower.. Thats when Ill grow more.. I realy need some practice.. This is not simple at all , i know lots of auto breeders here on AFN how have put years and years into making a autoflower.. I also think I'm kinda cheating by using full auto genetics with no photo.. this makes things kinda move faster, but I need that because of such a small grow space..