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You can get high ppms by letting the soil dry out too much, especially early when the plants don't consume much. Peat mixes have a higher CEC than coco and will retain some salts and minerals when it dries. I would suspect this is the root of his issue. And I don't doubt you, yet I had little problem with V2 and never added cal/mag to it, however without a doubt, some strains just want more. I actually liked V1 better as I controlled how much cal/mag I used.
And I doubt a little nutrient dried on the pots would have much affect, unless it was seriously caked on. I have auto pots that have not even had the soil removed or changed in them for almost three years, that were fed MC for most of those three years. I never flushed them either. No problems with salts buildup, and this is with soil, which you'd think would have a bigger problem with that than any other medium. I have no answers as to why, just my anecdotal data, but I'm thinking it's because auto pots never dry out during a grow and the nutrient levels stay consistent. I postulate that salts buildup is a result of way over feeding, like people running coco at 1400 ppms. Yep, its going to build up in the medium. at a ppm that is close to the happy medium for plant health, your not going to have that issue. Even in my small pots feed MC, I recycle the soil and do not flush it between uses. i merely water it during seedling stage, then right back to 500-550 ppms of MC.

I also doubt missing one feeding of cal/mag will affect the plant. He needs to get the PH under control, which is another area affected by the soil becoming too dry. The medium should still be slightly moist at watering time, not dry the point the plant would soon start to wilt. The drier the soil, the more the soil will skew towards acid.


Cal mag would be added every feed after too..just not one watering. The other may be true but I've been using MC v2 since it's been released. I've always needed cal mag during this time. My journal proves that with all my mistakes since 2018 I also use the sp series light.but with his past waterings who really knows. I really dont know how you get too high of ppms and lockout from.just a couple feeds with low doses of megacrop in first 3 weeks if ph was right going in. Doesn't seem like enough nutrients to cause it unless tho put he used before wasnt cleaned enough. And hes got build up on that one pot that wasnt just caused by 3 grams of megacrop. Looks exactly like my pots after 3 grow cycles but this is all new to me here. Hes overfed. Overwatered. Ppms off. Ph is off. I'll leave it to you pops cuz Idk honestly
 
I understand. It just drives me nuts that nutrient companies tell you to feed by grams or ml, yet when you have problems, they jump to ppms/EC. Yes it's confusing I agree completely. And sorry, for the rant, it's just a personal pet peeve lol!

Sorry I run 200ppm feed til day 14. Then 350
Stop by 600 at week 5 unless special which there has been several that likes 700s. I didnt want to confuse 4drock right now I'm trying to speak his language. If he'd rather speak ppms then that's fine. Just trying to keep it simple is all pops. Most people that read ppms from day 1dont have these mistakes as often as they've already been made.
 
I understand. It just drives me nuts that nutrient companies tell you to feed by grams or ml, yet when you have problems, they jump to ppms/EC. Yes it's confusing I agree completely. And sorry, for the rant, it's just a personal pet peeve lol!
Lol I can see where it be a peeve. It would fix alot of things I think personally. I've never measured EC do you think it's better?
 
I like PPM better, though honestly, one is as good as the other. I think i just like the illusion of tighter control lol!

Lol I can see where it be a peeve. It would fix alot of things I think personally. I've never measured EC do you think it's better?
 
Lol I can see where it be a peeve. It would fix alot of things I think personally. I've never measured EC do you think it's better?
Working with EC will allow you to tailor your feeds.
What I mean to say, as an example is:
Say you're using a 3 part feed like General Hydro.
And you want to target a feed of 400-700ppm.
As you add your contents to the water, you can measure the increase (by product)...N @so many ppm, then top the next product to P@so many ppm, and finally K@ so many ppm.

So in the previous example, it would be like (zero ppm in RO), then 200ppm N, + 150ppm of P,....then 150ppm of K, giving you a total of 500ppm in your feed.

So depending on the plants stage in growth, you can tailor your feed.
Another advantage that comes to mind, is reading run off.
So in the event your plants are starting to look sad. And assuming you're working with coco.
You can feed at a fixed rate (say 600ppm), and take a sample of the run off to see how much higher it is).
And, adjust your next feed accordingly.
 
Awesome guys, thanks for the conversation. Alot of what you guys are talking about has been a thorn in my side (and sounds like it's not just me looking at the infirmary) when trying to dial in MC.
I'll try to chime in on some of the highlighted points that have been brought up.

To start I guess I'll say that even though I talk about g/gal, I always measure ppm/pH as well and try to include it on the journal. Additionally, I will typically mix up a concentrate with MC (ie. 25g into 250ml of water) so that I can get a more consistent balance rather than making smaller batches. This run I haven't done it as much with the larger pots, as I have been mixing 3-4 gallons at a time and isn't as crucial as when I'm making 2L batches of different strengths at a time.
Also, I'm comfortable talking g/gal, ppm's, or EC. I think I have a pretty good grasp of what they mean and the comparisons. I measure with a ppm meter on 500 scale.

The plan originally was to feed plain water til week 2. Start with ~2g/gal (~275-300ppm) feed, alternating with plain water, then push up to the 500ppm mark alternating with plain water until change is warranted. I've seen @pop22 grows and how he keeps it around that level with success, I was generally trying to replicate that to an extent. I've had issues with the inclusion of CalMag, Sweet Candy, and Bud Explosion previously so I thought I would KIS and only go MC for this run and maybe add some minor BE later on.

So far it's been going decently but it's the fine tuning to prevent things from spiraling. Yes, I probably overwatered a bit but I haven't seen any of the major overwatering signs. I definitely haven't let the pots dry out, on this grow I weighed the dry pots and completely saturated pots to monitor the water weight in pot. So far I've been watering at about 40-50% of the water weight, so the salt buildup or pH fluctuations due to drying medium shouldn't be a cause. I also don't think I'm running into pH issues. Water/feed inputs have all been in the 6.1-6.4 range, and each of my soil probe measurements have been in the 5.7-6 pH range. Which is lower than input but within the range of nutrient uptake for peat (at least from what I've read).

They should be ready for watering tonight (4 days from previous). I'm sort of leaning toward another weak feed of ~300ppm MC and see how things go. Maybe a little extra volume to leach out any residual build up and re-balance what's in there.
 
Day 26 - have kept tinkering with LST trying to spread the nodes out and have a reasonably even canopy. Noticed that PP is looking a shade lighter than the other two
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Day 26 - have kept tinkering with LST trying to spread the nodes out and have a reasonably even canopy. Noticed that PP is looking a shade lighter than the other two
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Are you sure what's been done isnt fixed? Gallon of water at that age seems normal for 4 days to dry. You got good growth since.
 
Are you sure what's been done isnt fixed? Gallon of water at that age seems normal for 4 days to dry. You got good growth since.
Well it's very possible. There hasn't really been any major issues. I'm more looking at some of the indicators of what could turn into a problem. Mainly the high runoff ppm's and the new growth having minor tip burn. Other than those two things all three have been peachy.
 
Alright On day 27 I settled on watering each 5L with 2g/gal (350 total ppm, 6.3pH) which gave a pretty reasonable amount of runoff. By the end of which each had runoffs in the range of 400-500ppm.
I also continued LST and trimmed some of the inner fan leaves on the more dense SLH and BCN.
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Here’s what the look like today on Day 28. Not to shabby, they are nicely progressing so I’ll keep an eye on them and keep things steady
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