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[RivetGrrl]

Well, I think it’s about time to get started on some LST. The side branches have started to get some length to work with.

Day 23
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I started with 4L of plain water per pot (60ppm/6.5ph). I’m still getting some pretty high runoffs ranging from 500-1200 ppm. Mostly around 1000. Each of them are getting minor burnt tips so I’m thinking it may require another plain watering to get the nutrient concentration down in the soil. Or should I be giving more of a weak solution to flush it out but keep some of the nutrient balance in there? or is that going to add to the issue?

That day I also did the first tie downs. The PP is a fair amount taller and more lanky then the other two, it’s going to spread out quite a bit, hopefully the leaves dense up rather than be super stretched.

Here they are two days later on Day 25
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I’ve been checking in and making the small adjustments to try to level out the canopies. A bit difficult with the PP being a good 4-6 inches taller than the other two. But we’ll see how they stretch. Overall I think They are looking pretty good, other than the slightly progressing nute burn on the tips which I’m hoping slows or stops with the next watering.

Your plants look healthy, so I wouldn't worry too much. But I do notice that clawing in the older pic, so you can water with a weaker solution of nutes and see what the new growth looks like. If you still see clawing and burnt tips on the new growth, you can water with plain water the next watering. But as I said, your girls look hale and healthy so don't worry too much!

 

[Boognelson87]

Ahhh, ya, I'm also using the Pro-Mix HP. I probably jumped the gun on it then. So....turn the fans all on high then to dry those suckers out?

They don't seem to be that affected by the early heavy watering, not droopy or sad looking due to overwatering. I'm more worried about the high ppms in the runoff and the low soil pH (5.7-5.9) comparatively to the higher pH input (6.1-6.4). Or maybe I'm over thinking things again....

didnt get this notification or woulda replied sorry . seems you got em back on track tho and looking good! nice training job. hopefully smooth sailing to finish? since 23 days old i usually would give them their first gallon when they dry out next and the next watering after i usually do a gallon and half. reason is just to help runoff and make sure PPMs dont rise. at this point around days 33-45 most my plants are in 3 gallons and pro mix need watering every other day. 90% of plants ive done except small ones. i got one now thats 3 days during this stage and a same plant different pheno same age thats every other day right now. . i been going 6.1 with PH. i dont use pro mix HP though. the fabric pot with all the build up you have. was that pot used in the past? or is it new?

 

[4d-Rock]

Your plants look healthy, so I wouldn't worry too much. But I do notice that clawing in the older pic, so you can water with a weaker solution of nutes and see what the new growth looks like. If you still see clawing and burnt tips on the new growth, you can water with plain water the next watering. But as I said, your girls look hale and healthy so don't worry too much!

Cool thanks for the tips. The new growth right now have burnt tips so I may do one more plain water before going back to nutes.

Not super bad but don’t want it to get worse.

didnt get this notification or woulda replied sorry . seems you got em back on track tho and looking good! nice training job. hopefully smooth sailing to finish? since 23 days old i usually would give them their first gallon when they dry out next and the next watering after i usually do a gallon and half. reason is just to help runoff and make sure PPMs dont rise. at this point around days 33-45 most my plants are in 3 gallons and pro mix need watering every other day. 90% of plants ive done except small ones. i got one now thats 3 days during this stage and a same plant different pheno same age thats every other day right now. . i been going 6.1 with PH. i dont use pro mix HP though. the fabric pot with all the build up you have. was that pot used in the past? or is it new?

I’ve given them a full gallon twice now, probably too early to start but now with the high ppms I think I have to keep the volume higher to get that runoff. Depending what the runoff is at on the next watering I may increase to that gallon and a half.

For the pH, in previous grows I was shooting for 5.8-6.0 usually. But I was always ran into lockouts. After I got a good soil probe to measure the in pot pH, I found that the pH keeps tanking and may be the cause. So this time around I’m keeping the inputs higher between 6.0-6.4. I just checked each pot today with the probe and was seeing the in pot pH ranging from 5.8-6.0 even with the higher inputs. hopefully I can keep it balanced.

the black pot I showed was previously used but I rinsed it numerous times after it was used. Maybe not cleaned good enough. The two black and green pots were new and still have some build up, but not as much.

 

[Boognelson87]

Cool thanks for the tips. The new growth right now have burnt tips so I may do one more plain water before going back to nutes.
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Not super bad but don’t want it to get worse.



I’ve given them a full gallon twice now, probably too early to start but now with the high ppms I think I have to keep the volume higher to get that runoff. Depending what the runoff is at on the next watering I may increase to that gallon and a half.

For the pH, in previous grows I was shooting for 5.8-6.0 usually. But I was always ran into lockouts. After I got a good soil probe to measure the in pot pH, I found that the pH keeps tanking and may be the cause. So this time around I’m keeping the inputs higher between 6.0-6.4. I just checked each pot today with the probe and was seeing the in pot pH ranging from 5.8-6.0 even with the higher inputs. hopefully I can keep it balanced.

the black pot I showed was previously used but I rinsed it numerous times after it was used. Maybe not cleaned good enough. The two black and green pots were new and still have some build up, but not as much.

May not be a bad idea then. Wasnt seeing all that.I recommend at least adding cal mag With the plain watering. Getting to the age they really suck it up.

 

[4d-Rock]

Gotcha, well I was considering doing a very weak MC, maybe 1-2 g/gal, but a dash of CalMag could be the way to go before seeing any deficiencies pop up.
I just want to be careful I'm not loading up the soil. Much easier to add to a hungry plant then to try to reset after lockup due to excess.

 

[Boognelson87]

Gotcha, well I was considering doing a very weak MC, maybe 1-2 g/gal, but a dash of CalMag could be the way to go before seeing any deficiencies pop up.
I just want to be careful I'm not loading up the soil. Much easier to add to a hungry plant then to try to reset after lockup due to excess.

Very true. And there all different just experience from past. Day 24 to 30 is where I've had 95% of my cal mag problems when they happen. it's really hard to pinpoint what a caused the burn. 2g/gal at day 13 seems high to me too.. I dont use 2g gal til day 21 or the watering after with an exception of xxl plants and a narcotic zkittles. Unsure what ppms were then. Definitely not trying to tell you what to do by no means as I dont know truthfully but just kinda throwing ideas and thinking. Go with your gut on this one.

 

[pop22]

I wouldn't add cal/mag for just one watering. And too much Calcium is the number one cause of nutrient lock out. MC V2 has a fair amount of Cal. in it and if the levels of MC are already bordering on toxic, adding Cal/Mag could make things worse.

 

[Boognelson87]

I wouldn't add cal/mag for just one watering. And too much Calcium is the number one cause of nutrient lock out. MC V2 has a fair amount of Cal. in it and if the levels of MC are already bordering on toxic, adding Cal/Mag could make things worse.

Cal mag would be added every feed after too..just not one watering. The other may be true but I've been using MC v2 since it's been released. I've always needed cal mag during this time. My journal proves that with all my mistakes since 2018 I also use the sp series light.but with his past waterings who really knows. I really dont know how you get too high of ppms and lockout from.just a couple feeds with low doses of megacrop in first 3 weeks if ph was right going in. Doesn't seem like enough nutrients to cause it unless tho put he used before wasnt cleaned enough. And hes got build up on that one pot that wasnt just caused by 3 grams of megacrop. Looks exactly like my pots after 3 grow cycles but this is all new to me here. Hes overfed. Overwatered. Ppms off. Ph is off. I'll leave it to you pops cuz Idk honestly

 

[pop22]

I don't understand how anyone can regulate their feed by grams per gallon. Personally, i want to know exactly how much nutrient is in my solution. PPMs or EC is the only way to accurately feed your plants when using mineral and salts nutrients. A PPM of 500-550 works well for most cultivars. Yet as little as 50 ppms +/- can have a negative affect. I have an Orange Bisquits right now looking toxic at 560 ppms, yet all the other strains I'm growing are fine at that level. An option if you want a consistent blend of the nutrients, make a stock solution and feed from that, the blend is much more uniform and you will be feeding a consistent mix of nutrients. I make a quart at a time. lasts quite a while and I grow quite a few plants at a time.
Yes, it sounds like a bit of work, but just like hydro, maintaining a consistent environment in the rootzone is key to good plant health.

 

[Boognelson87]

I don't understand how anyone can regulate their feed by grams per gallon. Personally, i want to know exactly how much nutrient is in my solution. PPMs or EC is the only way to accurately feed your plants when using mineral and salts nutrients. A PPM of 500-550 works well for most cultivars. Yet as little as 50 ppms +/- can have a negative affect. I have an Orange Bisquits right now looking toxic at 560 ppms, yet all the other strains I'm growing are fine at that level. An option if you want a consistent blend of the nutrients, make a stock solution and feed from that, the blend is much more uniform and you will be feeding a consistent mix of nutrients. I make a quart at a time. lasts quite a while and I grow quite a few plants at a time.
Yes, it sounds like a bit of work, but just like hydro, maintaining a consistent environment in the rootzone is key to good plant health.

Sorry I run 200ppm feed til day 14. Then 350
Stop by 600 at week 5 unless special which there has been several that likes 700s. I didnt want to confuse 4drock right now I'm trying to speak his language. If he'd rather speak ppms then that's fine. Just trying to keep it simple is all pops. Most people that read ppms from day 1dont have these mistakes as often as they've already been made.