Running seeds 12/12 no veg

[Unique]

It's simple pops this isn't about the 12/12 I posted a theory and question. The response was simply plants don't grow at night. That's all that I'm arguing. Plants do indeed grow at night.
We focus so much on light. And I'm just now thinking this, but what's the optimal darkness period? We spend money on everything else, let's think on how to reenforce the money well spent on an optimal dark period. Then genetics are involved, and how the seeds were bred, but there's a lot of factors involved. It's great to have this conversation because hopefully you or I or someone watching, with the means to test this further can do so. A statement like plants don't grow at night is ignorant in my opinion.

They will ONLY grow IF they receive enough light energy, which 12hrs from seed is not enough energy, to make them grow... so no they probably won't... if started from 12/12... if started from a different cycle then changed to 12/12 then yes they would do a little growing at lights out, but it's never that much anyways... even if they receiving 18 or 20 hrs of light...there been plenty of test grows 12/12 from seed, they very very small plants... they simply need a longer light peroid for first 7-21 days of life or I doubt any growth will take place during the dark, thats why over all plant of a 12/12 don't even hit 12" high... the entire size of plant is the stretch during pre-flower... and if plant known not to strech that gonna be a huge problem, coz your depending on stretch for size with a 12/12 from seed grow.

 

[pop22]

Ohh I understand. I just wanted to state that for those who may have thought otherwise. I'd like answers too. Unfortunately, science has not given us a conclusive answer yet. I personally have tried them all and I've gone back to 20/4 to save a bit on power. I don't believe that last 4 hours really adds that much, a 16% reduction in hours of light does not translate into a 16% reduction in yield. Does it reduce yield? probably. By enough to matter, not definitive doesn't appear to.

A test would again require much more than a feww plants to be accurate, I'd say 100 as a minimum, that' why for most of us, a scientifically valid grow is very difficult.

It's simple pops this isn't about the 12/12 I posted a theory and question. The response was simply plants don't grow at night. That's all that I'm arguing. Plants do indeed grow at night.
We focus so much on light. And I'm just now thinking this, but what's the optimal darkness period? We spend money on everything else, let's think on how to reenforce the money well spent on an optimal dark period. Then genetics are involved, and how the seeds were bred, but there's a lot of factors involved. It's great to have this conversation because hopefully you or I or someone watching, with the means to test this further can do so. A statement like plants don't grow at night is ignorant in my opinion.

 

[Unique]

Ohh I understand. I just wanted to state that for those who may have thought otherwise. I'd like answers too. Unfortunately, science has not given us a conclusive answer yet. I personally have tried them all and I've gone back to 20/4 to save a bit on power. I don't believe that last 4 hours really adds that much, a 16% reduction in hours of light does not translate into a 16% reduction in yield. Does it reduce yield? probably. By enough to matter, not definitive doesn't appear to.

A test would again require much more than a feww plants to be accurate, I'd say 100 as a minimum, that' why for most of us, a scientifically valid grow is very difficult.

I run exact same light schedule as you my friend... I agree the 4hrs will not make any noticeable loss of yield... I never seem have that issue...

 

[johnp540]

They will ONLY grow IF they receive enough light energy, which 12hrs from seed is not enough energy, to make them grow... so no they probably won't... if started from 12/12... if started from a different cycle then changed to 12/12 then yes they would do a little growing at lights out, but it's never that much anyways... even if they receiving 18 or 20 hrs of light...there been plenty of test grows 12/12 from seed, they very very small plants... they simply need a longer light peroid for first 7-21 days of life or I doubt any growth will take place during the dark, thats why over all plant of a 12/12 don't even hit 12" high

I understand. I'm not talking about 12/12 from seed though. The statement that plants do not grow at night is what I'm talking about.
There's also pretty good documentation of plants producing at 12/12. No matter what they have to mature some before flowering despite the cycle. Some sativas get huge 12/12 from seed. But again that's not what I'm arguing.

 

[Unique]

I understand. I'm not talking about 12/12 from seed though. The statement that plants do not grow at night is what I'm talking about.
There's also pretty good documentation of plants producing at 12/12. No matter what they have to mature some before flowering despite the cycle. Some sativas get huge 12/12 from seed. But again that's not what I'm arguing.

I stated NO they will not, not in veg anyways... since they not getting enough energy, but if the strain also known not to stretch then you'll have a bigger problem like a 6 inch plant, your dependent on the stretch, and it's not because they grow it the dark... just typical of photo period plants... Listen even auto's stretch during pre-flower okay even if they not receiving any darkness, so it's just because the strain tends to stretch is reason for any growth during lights out, but it's not that they grow in the dark, coz in theory they are not, they stretching..

 

[johnp540]

I run exact same light schedule as you my friend... I agree the 4hrs will not make any noticeable loss of yield... I never seem have that issue...

Thank you both @pop22 . Just for understanding. It's something to play with. If I had the means and money I'd run separate tents to help move this theory and the plants don't grow at night theory along. Bit for the simplicity of it all, I am going to start recording heights alone before lights off and after lights off just to show that plants do indeed grow at night.
@pop22 I guess this could technically be another thread in its own for the myths section.

 

[Unique]

I understand. I'm not talking about 12/12 from seed though. The statement that plants do not grow at night is what I'm talking about.
There's also pretty good documentation of plants producing at 12/12. No matter what they have to mature some before flowering despite the cycle. Some sativas get huge 12/12 from seed. But again that's not what I'm arguing.

also if they were "growing" as your putting it, then the nodes would remain close like when they are "growing" during lights on.. A stretch is much different then growing... really it is...

 

[johnp540]

I stated NO they will not, not in veg anyways... since they not getting enough energy, but if the strain also known not to stretch then you'll have a bigger problem like a 6 inch plant, your dependent on the stretch, and it's not because they grow it the dark... just typical of photo period plants... Listen even auto's stretch during pre-flower okay even if they not receiving any darkness, so it's just because the strain tends to stretch is reason for any growth during lights out, but it's not that they grow in the dark, coz in theory they are not, they stretching..

Damn I guess your not open to learning either.
THATS IT FOLKS. PLANTS DONT DO SHIT IN THE DARK PERIOD
What's photosynthesis?
During 12/12 when photos start to flower why do they do that with less light?
What's intensity or usable photons? Plants store energy from the available light source. Not all sources are created equal. Potentially you can gain more from a greater light source in a shorter amount of time? Right? I think so. I could be wrong. If a plant gains 1 inch in height over night, did it not grow?

 

[Unique]

Damn I guess your not open to learning either.
THATS IT FOLKS. PLANTS DONT DO SHIT IN THE DARK PERIOD
What's photosynthesis?
During 12/12 when photos start to flower why do they do that with less light?
What's intensity or usable photons? Plants store energy from the available light source. Not all sources are created equal. Potentially you can gain more from a greater light source in a shorter amount of time? Right? I think so. I could be wrong. If a plant gains 1 inch in height over night, did it not grow?

hey I'm not against learning I been growing well over 25yrs!!! But certain things I just wouldn't attempt for many obvious reasons! Your just mistaken about the growing part & the stretching part, go ahead and test it out... What I am saying will be true, any "growth" stretching will start well after the 14 to 21 day mark since it will take the plant at least that long to mature enough to even try to flower, then yes it will grow, if you want to say that... but it's really stretching, that's why the pre-flower time is called " The Stretch"

 

[johnp540]

I'm done with this thread. I understand what you're trying to convey but you cannot rule out that plants do not grow at night. Ecspecially when I posted sources to this information. Not including the fact that any grow book, old or new says the same.
Anyone that argues this post morning and night time photos with a ruler please.
Do they grow more lights off? I dunno. Someone has to see what I'm talking about.