Mephisto Genetics OK Meph Heads : Harnessing Auto's Competitiveness Instinct

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Hello Mephisto Folk.

I cannot find a forum for this. So will ask the Meph Heads.

I have grown five cycles now and am seeing some trends.

I grow perpetually, as a few of us do. Almost always about 1 month staggered with a 4 - 5 plant in a 0.6 x 1.2 setup with 320W of mixed QBS.

For me, the idea of stalling an auto through training and environmental control is fascinating and something I have started to explore in more detail. The upside of this technique is much higher yields vs a cost of much longer harvest times. I now average over 10 zips per Mephisto.

The last couple of grows, I have noticed a new phenomenon. Autos when over shadowed seem to exhibit a desire to slow down and then when the shadow has been removed they are happy to march on. If anything reinvigorated. I have a White Widow at day 81 about to hit flower. A Blueberry Treacle, day 74 and a Sour Crack, day 64 all running very slow. Horizontal training is a big factor here however.

Where this take an interesting twist, is that I have noticed that when they shoot up, they try to match or out compete the largest plant in the groom, within reason of their genetics. Exactly as plants try to do in the wild. Competition for light or "slowing" as a survival mechanism,I would think, is most plants natural trait. Plants only want to max out their buds, pass on their genes and die.

These are traits, as indoor growers we can use to our advantage. Its like putting the plant into "race" mode after she has done all the training.

I am going to try an experiment using a stand and card to simulate this effect, again vs a natural girl (Sour Crack of course). Driving the girls using their own natural desires seems a good way to improve yield inside. Also gives us growers more control.

What do you think?

This is a topic I have researched and come up pretty blank.

I would love to hear from the veterans as I am seriously pushing limits. FWIW I only use a 3 lt airpot.

This is my current grow :- https://www.autoflower.org/threads/orange-diesel-and-blue-microverse.72526/#post-2138489

A very large Blue Microverse (small indica) about to come down once the Sour Crack has dried.
 
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Hello Mephisto Folk.

I have grown five cycles now and am seeing some trends.

I grow perpetually, as a few of us do. Almost always about 1 month staggered with a 4 - 5 plant in a 0.6 x 1.2 setup with 320W of mixed QBS.

For me, the idea of stalling an auto through training and environmental control is fascinating and something I have started to explore in more detail. The upside of this technique is much higher yields vs a cost of much longer harvest times. I now average over 10 zips per Mephisto.

The last couple of grows, I have noticed a new phenomenon. Autos when over shadowed seem to exhibit a desire to slow down and then when the shadow has been removed they are happy to march on. If anything reinvigorated. I have a White Widow at day 81 about to hit flower. A Blueberry Treacle, day 74 and a Sour Crack, day 64 all running very slow. Horizontal training is a big factor here however.

Where this take an interesting twist, is that I have noticed that when they shoot up, they try to match or out compete the largest plant in the groom, within reason of their genetics. Exactly as plants try to do in the wild. Competition for light or "slowing" as a survival mechanism,I would think, is most plants natural trait. Plants only want to max out their buds, pass on their genes and die.

These are traits, as indoor growers we can use to our advantage. Its like putting the plant into "race" mode after she has done all the training.

I am going to try an experiment using a stand and card to simulate this effect, again vs a natural girl (Sour Crack of course). Driving the girls using their own natural desires seems a good way to improve yield inside. Also gives us growers more control.

What do you think?

This is a topic I have researched and come up pretty blank.

I would love to hear from the veterans as I am seriously pushing limits. FWIW I only use a 3 lt airpot.

This is my current grow :- https://www.autoflower.org/threads/orange-diesel-and-blue-microverse.72526/#post-2138489

A very large Blue Microverse (small indica) about to come down once the Sour Crack has dried.
If I had room in my tent I would try this with you as I'm curious about this as well...
 
If I had room in my tent I would try this with you as I'm curious about this as well...

Horizontal training (tied to rim to keep below 2nd node) I think is the future. It gives me so much control of when I want the girl to flower.

The shading is a curious, but I think natural phenomena.

Regardless of medium something we could exploit.

It is not about reducing light, but making the girl get more competitive in its environment.

I may be talking BS but personally I think there is something here and genuinely surprised I cannot find any research.

i stupidly tried 6 plants last year and got over 25 oz and knew nothing. Everyone said they would throttle each other?!

What actually happened was one or two chose to stall and a few held back till space became available.

Canna, like most plants is more clever than I think we know. Hence the OP. I wanna know what the big guns think. @stan_mephisto gave a good response to my horizontal training stalling question, but alas ..... I don't think the research is there in this.

Just think how a bud on a warm arid mountain side in Jamaica would behave! Some urges cannot be beaten is my theory.
 
This is awesome. Keep it as scientific and repeatable as possible. Horizontal training is always impressive when you show a pic of a plant that is only a foot tall, and 3 feet across.

I don't enjoy the dope as much, but Dutch Passion plants can get HUGE. Like almost 2 pounds huge. Buds the size of volleyballs if you get one of the long phenos that take 120+ days.

I am a Mephistophile through and through, but that is impressive by any stretch of the word. Huge dummy autos...lol

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Next SC in.

This time non topped and trained round the pot. I predict 100+ days and very bushy.

Same packet. Thanks to Mephisto, I still have 3 more beans.

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+1 for the Inkbird by the thermometer/hygrometer. I don't know why everyone doesn't use those.

COBs/QBs plus a rock solid environment is the secret to huge autos. Not blurple lights from Amazon...lol

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These are my best efforts:

Original GWK from Illuminauto Line, this is the same lady in 3 stages. I think this was about 7oz of the most insane one hit shit I have ever had. So greasy, easily the shiniest plant I have seen in person. Narcotic high that was very reminiscent of old school Hindu Kush or Afghanny.

AvT that I tried a flushing experiment on. Never again, and also trusted a faulty pH meter...that was accurate until the end, and the leaves went yellow. [emoji22] I solved this problem with a brand new pair of meters and I use both for redundancy after that. Still got over 5 or 6 zips from it. Tasted like fresh grapefruit...almost identical, it even took your breath away like grapefruit does.



These were all grown under Citizen 1818s running at 52w each 3500°K off Mean Well 240-1050 drivers with LST tie downs. I grew the AVT under a work bench that was only 38" from the ground to the ceiling.

I am about to start shit up again. I took a hiatus because I had too much dope. It was everywhere. And then my best friend took his life and I kinda got super depressed. It finally cooled off enough here to fire up some COBs....and I am in a mental place where I can actually do it.

Nice looking plants by the way bro. I love me some big wide Mephisto dumplins.
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These are my best efforts:

Original GWK from Illuminauto Line, this is the same lady in 3 stages. I think this was about 7oz of the most insane one hit shit I have ever had. So greasy, easily the shiniest plant I have seen in person. Narcotic high that was very reminiscent of old school Hindu Kush or Afghanny.

AvT that I tried a flushing experiment on. Never again, and also trusted a faulty pH meter...that was accurate until the end, and the leaves went yellow. [emoji22] I solved this problem with a brand new pair of meters and I use both for redundancy after that. Still got over 5 or 6 zips from it. Tasted like fresh grapefruit...almost identical, it even took your breath away like grapefruit does.



These were all grown under Citizen 1818s running at 52w each 3500°K off Mean Well 240-1050 drivers with LST tie downs. I grew the AVT under a work bench that was only 38" from the ground to the ceiling.

I am about to start shit up again. I took a hiatus because I had too much dope. It was everywhere. And then my best friend took his life and I kinda got super depressed. It finally cooled off enough here to fire up some COBs....and I am in a mental place where I can actually do it.

Nice looking plants by the way bro. I love me some big wide Mephisto dumplins.
da14317c8be0dc6197c41d474c70cac3.jpg
865e1a474fd7db97b4d3c3cb3acac819.jpg
e73d651ec6650262f1e60013d2c34454.jpg
5f7666deb428d051728223638bc956c1.jpg


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Monsters! My favourite smoke the GWK then CDLC and WC!
 
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