Its obvious to me this may no longer be the place for me even though I donated anonymously when the call went out. But When Mods pile on to posters with legitimate complaints and bans them while the vendor through his poor communication comes off as smug instead of helpful, then maybe y’all need to ban me as well.
You guys banned one of your top posters, though I imagine he got too heated, but Machamillion was always helpful to me, sent pm’s of advice and was an aggressive tester that brought other vendors to AFN. In his case I don’t know what ultimately went down, but the guy did a lot for the community and he genuinely cared.
For me, I‘ve been positive since day one here, read posts for a year before I joined, but reading the crap above in the thread from people who should show better leadership, calling posters “entitled” for pointing out the downfalls in a company that We all love? No. That’s absolutely unethical and I have lost ALL respect for some people here that should know better. I don’t think there is ANY problem with asking Stan to provide clear information without condescension, none whatsoever. If that’s a problem, delete my account.
Um I just asked for the tone of the posts to simmer down a bit bud. Some edgy comments in here this morning from member to member, looked like it could have ramped up, so asked to ramp it down. You know, forum stuff
But you forgot a few important details in your post.
For starters, the recent member in question you're defending was
banned multiple times for specifically trolling this one specific thread.
Not any other breeder.
Not any other thread.
Not creating grow journals.
Not adding to other discussions.
Not saying "hello" in the mornings or "good night" before snooze.
But instead, coming back to the same thread, like a needle to a junky, over and over and over, saying the same rant, or waiting for someone to say something he can piggy back on. Banned, comes back, doesn't post anywhere else, banned, comes back, banned, comes back. Heck it's been regular members even calling him out lately, not us. This is the 3rd time banned for the same thing.
This isn't us trying to "silence the truth." And I feel like you're insinuating that's what we're doing (and I don't think that's fair of you.) But we're removing a banned member, a repeat banned members to be exact, for literally and directly violating site terms of use (and it's just trolly shit anyway.) Does not approach breed response?
Why are you defending this? Would you still defend this now seeing the history of above users actions? At what point do we get to uphold our SIMPLE rules here?
And dude, we could have easily banned him the moment we realized it was a returned member (and possibly avoiding pages of the popcorn-eating grief that spewed from making the decision to NOT.) Instead, we gave him his day to say his piece, he said it, made his peace, and that's it. What's next? What's left? There is no history for him other than coming here to make trouble (and multiple times.) I don't see that one turning a new leaf; I'm sorry but that's a judgment called based on experience of dealing with shit tons of people online over years and years.
As to Mach, I'm not sure if there's ever been a member on the forum to ever have more chances than he was given. We gave that dude soooooo much slack, that he eventually tied his own noose and hung himself with it. Post count is no defense to acting shitty to people on the forum (and that goes for our mods as well, which over the years we've had to talk several off the ledge before.) We've flat out kicked mods out of here. We've banned mods. But whether member or staff, they are HUMAN, and we try to give people CHANCES, but sometimes you RUN OUT of those chances. You understand? He also never brought a single vendor to the forum, please get your facts straight.
On a personal (and opinionated level,) when I ask myself why I think this thread is a drama magnet, I think it's because some of you seem to want to discuss EACH OTHERS problems. And that in itself seems to be where a lot of the drama stems from. So maybe it's something to look into where we turn commenting off but allow the initial feedback to be posted. Would allow everyone to still air grievance or issue, but would eliminate members jumping on others for said feedback." That's Mephisto's call, but I think everyone is in agreement the feedback isn't the issue, it's the Battlefield Earth style fighting that follows between members after the feedback is left.
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