Myth Busting - Revegging Autoflowers

[NVbiker]

Another sucker. All coming out from bottom

 

[Son of Hobbes]

... Mr. Personality Krk/cres rofl from HighRise has noted that Lowryder crosses, once in the mix, seem to literally force the expressions toward automatics no matter what. He's tried breeding it out, progeny photo x photo selections, and every fucking time the autoflowering shows up regardless. he made very good point about concerns with this fucking up breeding lines. I honestly don't know if other breeders have experienced this, but knowing how skilled he is with this, I give it serious weight...
Oh, Mighty Mite is another odd-ball, showing both auto and non-auto/easy triggering/speed blooming characteristics... it's genetic behavior is very different from LR from what the private breeders have noted....

Once ruderalis is breed into something, I've been told it's damn near impossible to remove.

 

[thequickanddirtyremix]

Very. Im going to try when I finish this run. Lights going to be on, so nothing to lose.

Yeah, do it man!

Those little budlets do grow as well, so you do kind of get a micro harvest. Also, I'm not sure if this happens all the time, but the revegging leaves (the broad, weird ones) were more trichome heavy than the other leaves. I made some hash.

One thing I will say, is that I did this with another plant, but left more branches and budlets on it. There wasn't that much growth and no revegging. I'd guess that the stem needs to be good, and there needs to be fewer branches for it to reveg, otherwise the plant just dries out and dies. Better to go for it with a few good branches, I reckon.

I'd be interested to see what results you get.

 

[420Forever]

Yeah, do it man!

Those little budlets do grow as well, so you do kind of get a micro harvest. Also, I'm not sure if this happens all the time, but the revegging leaves (the broad, weird ones) were more trichome heavy than the other leaves. I made some hash.

One thing I will say, is that I did this with another plant, but left more branches and budlets on it. There wasn't that much growth and no revegging. I'd guess that the stem needs to be good, and there needs to be fewer branches for it to reveg, otherwise the plant just dries out and dies. Better to go for it with a few good branches, I reckon.

I'd be interested to see what results you get.

think i'll give this a go meself on me next one or two...i'm used to micro harvestz anyway so, what the hell, right-? ppp

 

[Sidz]

i gotta ask, whats the ppp?

 

[420Forever]

i gotta ask, whats the ppp?

here we go again... short verzion -> ppp = puffpuffpass ppp

 

[Sidz]

here we go again... short verzion -> ppp = puffpuffpass ppp

Im getting ready to order some ppp seeds. Puff puff pass. lol

 

[Kinezokyprios]

On Facebook recently, a grower claimed that he's been re-vegging his autoflowers and that it can be done with all autos.





The alleged trick is to keep the light on 24/0 and switch back to veg nutes.

This sparked a TREMENDOUS amount of replies, with a very small percentage saying "oh yeah, we've done this too" and the majority saying "bullshit." Absolutely no one has provided any proof during any of the conversations about it however. The comment about it reverting back to the "prized photo period" was a bit of a stretch lol.

Personally I think some growers are seeing unstable autoflowers, or what's essentially a "semi-auto." Ruderal characteristics but it's still a photo by definition (needs to flip to properly finish.) We've seen it dozens of times over where growers have an auto that doesn't auto, and every time you treat it like a photo and it's good to go. So really, at that point is it still considered an autoflower? I think this is what a lot of growers are seeing when they say "oh my plant re-vegged" or "I have an autoflower mother I keep taking clones from for years," that it was sold and labeled as an autoflower, but that it's a photo dominant strain. Perhaps a bit of semantics?

I've seen autos start to push out new leaf growth at the end of their lives, but personally I take all my meds longer than normal (more amber) than probably most do, and I've yet to see them reveg. I've left autos in pots where they've eventually died (way past harvest window) and they never revegged. Doesn't explain partial harvests either.

But then we were talking about it in the staff room and @Mossy mentioned she had an auto start to reveg going from natural sunlight (outdoors) then moved inside to a grow light (and more hours on than what it was getting.) Very curious stuff.

What do you think? Ever see this phenomenon happen? Truth and merit to the claim, or stoner science? Chalked up to genetic anomaly? Or able to be replicated?

It can happen. But my opinion is that this happens to stressed plants that haven't fulfilled their full potential before harvest. Perhaps genetics play a role too.
This summer, I had a fast buds original skunk in my tent, but the temperatures were growing dangerously high in there by the end of May and in order not to lose the buds I took it out on my balcony. The tent had a steady 40 degrees Celsius temperature that was killing it and after returning home from a two day trip I found the buds instead of swelling to be dying. Outside temperature was a steady 35 to 38 degrees Celsius during day and 20 during night, a much better environment.
Within two days of being under the sun I noticed that the old buds had completely dried and died but new shoots were popping out. I decided to chop the main cola and the side branches (to add them to my bubble hash material, 96g of dried buds that could only be utilised in hash and extracts) and to let the new shoots grow. Within a week they stretched to a height of 50cm. Second week they started flowering. I harvested five weeks after a proper yield of 80g.
But this was a stressed plant that was dying from heat stroke, and once I removed the dead parts it unleashed its remaining potential. Pretty much what a tomato or cucumber would do in a similar situation.
But a properly grown stress free plant wouldn't have such a development, in my opinion. After a full and perfect growth cycle it has fulfilled its duty and would not reveg. There are cases of autos growing for months and months, but this just their natural cycle it is not a revegging case.

 

[Death The Cultivator]

Once ruderalis is breed into something, I've been told it's damn near impossible to remove.

Angus from The Real Seed company has complained about this as well. Homogenization through genetic swamping is destroying native populations of cannabis because foreigners bring seeds for THC or FOTM, farmers want the 'benefits' and there goes untapped potential in wild cannabis populations polluted by pollen chuckers.

You mentioned that mother flowering after a while in veg, one my Orient Express x Nepal Jam mothers began flowering under 24/0. Dubi from Ace Seeds informed me of the quoted part

The Orient Express and Nepal Jam parent plants used in the Orient Express x Nepal Jam limited edition are extremely fast flowering with a bit of semi autoflowering tendencies when they feel root bound. But they are not fully autoflowering as we still keep that indica OE female in our mother room for almost 10 years, and that Nepal Jam parent plant was also kept alive since 2014 until last year when it was replaced with newer and better latest generation Nepal Jam parent plants.

- mine was stressed from months of hard water - it's in there though.

 

[*BrOKinStar*]

Hi all I'm new here and fairly new to growing..
I'm still learning butt am very lucky as I have come to find out I'm a natural and have a very green thumb. Plus use some of my own secret stuff.
I had plants which were all doing so great despite the fact I didn't follow a schedule or kept up with them like I should...i got rid of them expect one... .for personal reasons.. I kept the the only one that stopped growing and was under 2 ft. while the rest got so big. The only one that flowered on it's own while under 24 hour lighting.. it was an autoflower. I was excited to learn about this. It flowered great I harvested it. Buds were good but could of been better if I had let them cure right..
So as silly as it sounded and with me being so new on all of this i wanted to see if I could get this plant to regrow after I harvested it. Mind you I dont know crap but I'm very hard headed and always want to try. Was told it's hard but I figured what's it gonna hurt.. and guess what.. I now have a 24 inch plant that has regrown and is already flowing under 24 hour lighting.. harvested at the end of july and its already flowering again for the second time.. nobody believed me on a FB group and said I was talking out my ass untill I should them pics and videos... of the same plant harvested and cut and regrowing and flowing right now.
I'm so happy. It is possible to revege and flower an autoflower.