Myth Busting - Revegging Autoflowers

I am kind of new to growing but I am licensed to grow in the State of Missouri and I’ve been experiencing with only autos the past year. I chose autos for the simplicity and quickness from seed to harvest. I don’t believe you can successfully clone an Autoflower because you’ll only ever get exactly what you cut to clone.
Why would anyone want to? In the time and energy it takes just thinking about the work entailed, I could have already prepared the soil and seedling for my next grow.
 
I am kind of new to growing but I am licensed to grow in the State of Missouri and I’ve been experiencing with only autos the past year. I chose autos for the simplicity and quickness from seed to harvest. I don’t believe you can successfully clone an Autoflower because you’ll only ever get exactly what you cut to clone.
Why would anyone want to? In the time and energy it takes just thinking about the work entailed, I could have already prepared the soil and seedling for my next grow.

heya growmie, fellow missourian here :toke: ppp
 
Sorry, thanks for explaining what semi means lol. Why did you change your light schedule? If you change must be a reason, correct? There is no such thing as semi automatic by definition its automatic. Now if you want to say its "like" auto that is a more accurate. Automatic means you dont need to change the light schedule. Why dont you leave the light schedule the same? Grow them at the same light schedule and then show me. You're showing me something you grow like a photo. That means nothing as far as auto evidence.
:smoking: ... the "semi-" part has never been clearly defined, it's rather arbitrary in fact.... yes, first time I saw it used was with Stitch and his early work with larger, Sati'-dom. long cycle crosses,... If they express autoflowering, or have very sensitive triggering is something of a pheno' dice-roll...
Fact is, rudi'/"auto" genes are used in several breeders photo' lines, like Female Seeds to speed blooming up... They are NOT F1s, like Sweet's F1FV's (also still light sensitive, but may switch gears more readily); Dinafem/HSO is edging into the FV game, Delicious has several now too, but again I'm not sure if they are the same as Sweet's versions. Dutch Passion's Think Fast is an F1-FV, and a damn good one! Sweet has a great read on their F1FV's in their section McDee, worth a look! The Red Mandarine F1FV I ran this year went into bloom 2 weeks sooner than the others photo's, at the beginning of August..
Point is, all these could be labeled as "semi-auto's"...
The whole autflowering phenomena is far more complex than most realize, and all but 100% certain there is more than one "mechanism", for lack of a better term, behind how it works,... A few very good private breeders we know here have found multiple auto x photo/photo x auto crosses at F1 showing pheno's with full autoflowering, so clearly the simplistic Medelian Punnet square inheritance thing is bogus, it ain't a simple double recessive gig!.... according to that, there's zero chance for auto's at F1. Anyway, the two I see are with ruderalis subpecies, and equatorial landraces... about as far apart as can be across the board, right?
Rudi's tend to found in tough, short season climates, and bypassing the usual light sensitive triggering is probably an adaptation to surviving in places that are too hostile to have them last and set seed by the time the light hours change enough to trigger,...
Now consider something very often overlooked about "auto'ing": equatorial landraces, "Sativa's"... these plants live their whole lives at or near 12/12, right?
And to that end, other breeders have found some landrace types that will show the odd autoflowering characteristics show up in their tents when growing! An example: a mate had a PNG landrace cultivar going in his tents, running 20/4, and had a few actually start to bloom - :confused1: ... So he tested more seeds, ran at 24/0, and even then a couple showed up! This is rare, but not unheard of from what I'm learning these days,... yet another funny little trick Mother Nature tosses out, and no doubt it persists in wild populations because it too has some sort of survival advantage, or just isn't a liability under such conditions, or it would have been "selected out" by the usual evolutionary processes....
 
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Yes, it has been determined you can clone autos, but it is mostly a waste of time. There may be some strains, especially those that flower a long time, that may produce worthy clones. Also, clones might be good if you want to produce a few seeds, they could be reversed or just pollinated with regular pollen, so they could be useful.


I am kind of new to growing but I am licensed to grow in the State of Missouri and I’ve been experiencing with only autos the past year. I chose autos for the simplicity and quickness from seed to harvest. I don’t believe you can successfully clone an Autoflower because you’ll only ever get exactly what you cut to clone.
Why would anyone want to? In the time and energy it takes just thinking about the work entailed, I could have already prepared the soil and seedling for my next grow.
 
It also has been shown that Cannabis ( and likely other plants also ) can switch on and off certain genes. Say there is a drought, the plants can switch on genes that will help the next generation have a better chance of surviving drought. I've wondered if in most canna, this is a recessive trait that could be re-activated, as it seems pretty easy to pass on Ruderalis auto genes. I've had at least one incident of crossing and auto with a photo and having autos in an F1 plant! And it was crossed with a commercial ( Black Domina ) strain.



:smoking: ... the "semi-" part has never been clearly defined, it's rather arbitrary in fact.... yes, first time I saw it used was with Stitch and his early work with larger, Sati'-dom. long cycle crosses,... If they express autoflowering, or have very sensitive triggering is something of a pheno' dice-roll...
Fact is, rudi'/"auto" genes are used in several breeders photo' lines, like Female Seeds to speed blooming up... They are NOT F1s, like Sweet's F1FV's (also still light sensitive, but may switch gears more readily); Dinafem/HSO is edging into the FV game, Delicious has several now too, but again I'm not sure if they are the same as Sweet's versions. Dutch Passion's Think Fast is an F1-FV, and a damn good one! Sweet has a great read on their F1FV's in their section McDee, worth a look! The Red Mandarine F1FV I ran this year went into bloom 2 weeks sooner than the others photo's, at the beginning of August..
Point is, all these could be labeled as "semi-auto's"...
The whole autflowering phenomena is far more complex than most realize, and all but 100% certain there is more than one "mechanism", for lack of a better term, behind how it works,... A few very good private breeders we know here have found multiple auto x photo/photo x auto crosses at F1 showing pheno's with full autoflowering, so clearly the simplistic Medelian Punnet square inheritance thing is bogus, it ain't a simple double recessive gig!.... according to that, there's zero chance for auto's at F1. Anyway, the two I see are with ruderalis subpecies, and equatorial landraces... about as far apart as can be across the board, right?
Rudi's tend to found in tough, short season climates, and bypassing the usual light sensitive triggering is probably an adaptation to surviving in places that are too hostile to have them last and set seed by the time the light hours change enough to trigger,...
Now consider something very often overlooked about "auto'ing": equatorial landraces, "Sativa's"... these plants live their whole lives at or near 12/12, right?
And to that end, other breeders have found some landrace types that will show the odd autoflowering characteristics show up in their tents when growing! An example: a mate had a PNG landrace cultivar going in his tents, running 20/4, and had a few actually start to bloom - :confused1: ... So he tested more seeds, ran at 24/0, and even then a couple showed up! This is rare, but not unheard of from what I'm learning these days,... yet another funny little trick Mother Nature tosses out, and no doubt it persists in wild populations because it too has some sort of survival advantage, or just isn't a liability under such conditions, or it would have been "selected out" by the usual evolutionary processes....
 
Another example of a non-ruderalis landrace with autoflowering tendencies is Beldia, a hashplant from Morocco. In that case, autoflowering's survival advantage is as an adaptation for seasonal droughts. It seems like a trait that can pop up in a sufficiently large population due to random mutation (more likely if it is a single trait), and it sticks around wherever it has survival value.
 
Yes, it has been determined you can clone autos, but it is mostly a waste of time. There may be some strains, especially those that flower a long time, that may produce worthy clones. Also, clones might be good if you want to produce a few seeds, they could be reversed or just pollinated with regular pollen, so they could be useful.
Although autoflowering cannabis plants can technically be cloned, there is no point of doing that because you can’t set them back to the vegetative growth period and therefore they will automatically flower and produce a harvest at the same time as the “mother” plant will and you will get a one bud plant at most. Unless you are a scientist or a botanist why would you not just buy another seen of the same strain.
 
There is always the possibility that we just haven'y found the key to cloning them yet. And yes, that's pretty much what I just said. However, it's those of us who do fiddle around with cloning autos that may find a way, because if it could be done and have productive autos, it could be a game changer.

Although autoflowering cannabis plants can technically be cloned, there is no point of doing that because you can’t set them back to the vegetative growth period and therefore they will automatically flower and produce a harvest at the same time as the “mother” plant will and you will get a one bud plant at most. Unless you are a scientist or a botanist why would you not just buy another seen of the same strain.
 
It also has been shown that Cannabis ( and likely other plants also ) can switch on and off certain genes. Say there is a drought, the plants can switch on genes that will help the next generation have a better chance of surviving drought. I've wondered if in most canna, this is a recessive trait that could be re-activated, as it seems pretty easy to pass on Ruderalis auto genes. I've had at least one incident of crossing and auto with a photo and having autos in an F1 plant! And it was crossed with a commercial ( Black Domina ) strain.

When I worked for Growers Network, a commercial grower had posted one of their long time, photoperiod mother started to AUTOFLOWER. It wasn't fully automatic, but it was clearly flowering in veg. No one could figure out why it was happening. I was the only one to ask "was this ever crossed with ruderalis ," and the grower said "yes, it was crossed ONCE." And after years, for whatever reason, it triggered the gene to start expressing.

I'm a MEGA believer in epigenetics.
 
I am kind of new to growing but I am licensed to grow in the State of Missouri and I’ve been experiencing with only autos the past year. I chose autos for the simplicity and quickness from seed to harvest. I don’t believe you can successfully clone an Autoflower because you’ll only ever get exactly what you cut to clone.
Why would anyone want to? In the time and energy it takes just thinking about the work entailed, I could have already prepared the soil and seedling for my next grow.

Hey nice to have you! Did you find us from Facebook? We have a few friends that run some Missouri canna groups on there! Missouri Cannabis Network!
 
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