Myth Busting - Revegging Autoflowers

[Flash]

Dude was obviously high when he asked this. Haha

 

[Indigenousgrower]

Howdy I’m just an average joe on a commercial grow and outdoors, organic living soil yes autos can reveg not all of them but it does happen I’ve had a bout 6 northern light autos last year grow over 10 feet tall and flower 3 times every 60 days just manicure the flower and let nature take it’s course and same thing happened this year. If there happy let them grow they’ll pay you back!

 

[rusty shanty☆]

Northern lights growing that tall? Is that normal?
What breeder?

 

[pop22]

Pics? Sounds like a photo period not an auto and Ive never seen an auto that tall and I've grown hundreds if not thousands of various autos.

Howdy I’m just an average joe on a commercial grow and outdoors, organic living soil yes autos can reveg not all of them but it does happen I’ve had a bout 6 northern light autos last year grow over 10 feet tall and flower 3 times every 60 days just manicure the flower and let nature take it’s course and same thing happened this year. If there happy let them grow they’ll pay you back!

 

[Fitzy]

Howdy I’m just an average joe on a commercial grow and outdoors, organic living soil yes autos can reveg not all of them but it does happen I’ve had a bout 6 northern light autos last year grow over 10 feet tall and flower 3 times every 60 days just manicure the flower and let nature take it’s course and same thing happened this year. If there happy let them grow they’ll pay you back!

Here's a pic of wat mines doing and I certainly would do this on a reg as the production is minimal and I have seeds I planted @ the same time and they are much larger so honestly it seems not worth it I still plan to experiment with this as it's interesting but completely impractical not to mention the leaves don't grow the same on the buds. This plant was simply stripped of all buds and all leaves left and as you can see I'm not sure I would call till a reveg I would say a last ditch effort to live and produce buds/seeds anyway I will be playing around more for sure.

 

[Son of Hobbes]

I think genetic stability is a mega factor in what we're seeing with some of the responses. I would argue the majority of autoflowers on the market (that many growers buy) are not worked extensively, and that we're seeing a lot of photo dominance showing up under the guise of "autoflowering." Having no clear, 100% "this is what everyone agrees that an autoflower is" literature to work with, it may just be something at odds until it happens.

Do true 100% autoflower die at the end of their life cycle?

That's pretty much the question that it seems to come back to, and without a majority saying "yes this is what is generally believed to be true," curious if we could definitely say one or the other.

If my seed says "autoflower," I purchased it as an autoflower, it came from a reputable breeder, etc, but if it doesn't auto? We treat it like a photo. So at that point, do we still call it an auto? And can that description then be used for bragging rights? If your auto is really a photo but you refuse to acknowledge it, does that still give you bragging rights? lol

 

[pop22]

I've taken my Blue Dragon to F7 maybe I'll experiment with them and see what results we get. I'm about to start several so I'll keep all the stumps and try to reveg them.

I think genetic stability is a mega factor in what we're seeing with some of the responses. I would argue the majority of autoflowers on the market (that many growers buy) are not worked extensively, and that we're seeing a lot of photo dominance showing up under the guise of "autoflowering." Having no clear, 100% "this is what everyone agrees that an autoflower is" literature to work with, it may just be something at odds until it happens.

Do true 100% autoflower die at the end of their life cycle?

That's pretty much the question that it seems to come back to, and without a majority saying "yes this is what is generally believed to be true," curious if we could definitely say one or the other.

If my seed says "autoflower," I purchased it as an autoflower, it came from a reputable breeder, etc, but if it doesn't auto? We treat it like a photo. So at that point, do we still call it an auto? And can that description then be used for bragging rights? If your auto is really a photo but you refuse to acknowledge it, does that still give you bragging rights? lol

 

[rusty shanty☆]

Yes, true autoflowers die at the end of their lifecycles. Unless stressed and the timeline gets confused autos are relatively stable and predictable.

The more "pure" the auto is the less likely it will reveg.

That's my hypothesis! Let the science play out!
Love the experimental approach of this thread!

 

[Twenty20 Adam]

On Facebook recently, a grower claimed that he's been re-vegging his autoflowers and that it can be done with all autos.





The alleged trick is to keep the light on 24/0 and switch back to veg nutes.

This sparked a TREMENDOUS amount of replies, with a very small percentage saying "oh yeah, we've done this too" and the majority saying "bullshit." Absolutely no one has provided any proof during any of the conversations about it however. The comment about it reverting back to the "prized photo period" was a bit of a stretch lol.

Personally I think some growers are seeing unstable autoflowers, or what's essentially a "semi-auto." Ruderal characteristics but it's still a photo by definition (needs to flip to properly finish.) We've seen it dozens of times over where growers have an auto that doesn't auto, and every time you treat it like a photo and it's good to go. So really, at that point is it still considered an autoflower? I think this is what a lot of growers are seeing when they say "oh my plant re-vegged" or "I have an autoflower mother I keep taking clones from for years," that it was sold and labeled as an autoflower, but that it's a photo dominant strain. Perhaps a bit of semantics?

I've seen autos start to push out new leaf growth at the end of their lives, but personally I take all my meds longer than normal (more amber) than probably most do, and I've yet to see them reveg. I've left autos in pots where they've eventually died (way past harvest window) and they never revegged. Doesn't explain partial harvests either.

But then we were talking about it in the staff room and @Mossy mentioned she had an auto start to reveg going from natural sunlight (outdoors) then moved inside to a grow light (and more hours on than what it was getting.) Very curious stuff.

What do you think? Ever see this phenomenon happen? Truth and merit to the claim, or stoner science? Chalked up to genetic anomaly? Or able to be replicated?

We have seen plants go back into vegetative mode simply from up-planting into larger pots. It doesn't work consistently but we have definitely observed it on more than one occasion.

 

[Fitzy]

I think genetic stability is a mega factor in what we're seeing with some of the responses. I would argue the majority of autoflowers on the market (that many growers buy) are not worked extensively, and that we're seeing a lot of photo dominance showing up under the guise of "autoflowering." Having no clear, 100% "this is what everyone agrees that an autoflower is" literature to work with, it may just be something at odds until it happens.

Do true 100% autoflower die at the end of their life cycle?

That's pretty much the question that it seems to come back to, and without a majority saying "yes this is what is generally believed to be true," curious if we could definitely say one or the other.

If my seed says "autoflower," I purchased it as an autoflower, it came from a reputable breeder, etc, but if it doesn't auto? We treat it like a photo. So at that point, do we still call it an auto? And can that description then be used for bragging rights? If your auto is really a photo but you refuse to acknowledge it, does that still give you bragging rights? lol

the other thing is quasi day neutral most of us can be fooled by this trait as it happened to me growing a photo that others have grown and I gave it a shot and it vegged and flowered @ 18/6. Now this occurred in 3 separate plants that were grown separate so lots of thing going on. Also has anyone seen a landrace auto do this again the only strategic advantage in the wild would be if say we had unusual warmth for longer it could possibly be repollenated to carry on its genetics but otherwise makes little sense again the pics I've seen plus wat I'm doing shows me it's a last ditch effort I will be doing this with a different strain that's @ f3 which two f4s where used to make/breed back to f3 and was fully pollenated to make f4s and now I will see if this is the case right now it's showing signs of death but we will see its interesting nevertheless and definitely interested in the test you will be doing as those are even further along then mine so should be cool if you remember please tag me in the journal as I do some breeding and would love more info and watching will give me lots.
Ps thanks @Son of Hobbes and @pop22 for finding/seeing these interesting and cool topics to dive into its great and very appreciated.