Myth Busting - Revegging Autoflowers

[Fitzy]

So to everyone thinking it's possible to reveg a true auto I'm going to have to say from my experiment the double grape x silverback which is a auto f1 has new growth but only a single spot has put out a few caylaxes after 20days so if your able to reveg then you have genetics that were done incorrectly now as for clones they can and have been done the thing that sucks is they will never get as big as plant they were taken from but it is very beneficial in breeding of autos imho but otherwise isn't viable @ all. I really hate how genetics are right now very few that are real fire most are mediocre@ best imho and many of the well knows have inherit issues aswell which is why I've been breeding my own the prices and lack of available good genetics has pushed me to produce my own out of necessity and hopefully can bring them to the masses when ready.

These are the buds off of the double grape x silverback f1

 

[Waira]

@Son of Hobbes
@Fitzy ... hold onto your hat mate, check this out!

By sheer dumb luck and chance, I have "conducted" an experiment on this reveg' thing, which I had doubts about before, but never really tried or looked into it prior to this thread discussion...
This is a recent harvest "corpse" (about a month ago) of a Green Poison auto. This is an old, well worked cultivar of Sweets, in fact all 3 formats of it, auto/F1FV/photo are one of the most stable reliable ones I can name having seen plenty of all 3 grown here and by me... For sure, this is not a hack-made auto, I think Sweet rates her actual ruderalis genetic content in the low single digit %....

When done, I got lazy and just plopped her, out of pot, beside the house for later dumping,... Apparently the landscaping irrigation was enough to keep her alive, in full shade no less! Some larfy bud bits were left behind, but nothing else...
For a while I kept seeing green, thinking it was the tiny bud bits still lingering,..then it started filling out too much for that to be the case! So I took a good look the other day, and f*ck me running if she isn't starting to leaf-up!
So I put her back in a pot, and will keep her going best I can to see where this goes... it's a mystery alright! Hard to say what the factors are here that allowed this: low light/short duration, near full stripping, otherwise health happy plant at harvest.... great soil (KIS Organic amended stuff)...

From what I gather from other breeders and growers, the "autoflower phenomena" is working in more ways than one.. For example: there's the subspecies ruderalis that bypasses the normal hormonal feedback loop that controls blooming as a survival adaptation; there's also ample evidence of "auto'ing" in certain equatorial landraces and heirloom cultivars. A friend got some seeds collected from PNG (by Skunkman Watson himself no less), he and a couple others started growing them out, and 2/3 got pheno's that bloomed under 20/4! Those auto-pheno's were crossed to each other, and even more autoflowering pheno's showed,... Now consider what an equatorial plant is experiencing with light/dark hours... many are at or near 12/12 their whole lives, right? So it begs the question on these auto'ing pheno's.. I speculate that such rare-ish pheno's doing this are staying in the population because this isn't a liability to survival, very likely has it's advantages so they persist in the population,... Certainly coming to the same expression as ruderalis, but under totally different circumstances and environmental/natural selection pressures!

So, whatever the deal is here, clearly the plant has managed to reverse the blooming hormone cycle despite being in the shade, near 12/12 light/dark, cool nights.... Something to chew on here at least, ay? :smoking:

 

[Son of Hobbes]

@Son of Hobbes
@Fitzy ... hold onto your hat mate, check this out!

By sheer dumb luck and chance, I have "conducted" an experiment on this reveg' thing, which I had doubts about before, but never really tried or looked into it prior to this thread discussion...
This is a recent harvest "corpse" (about a month ago) of a Green Poison auto. This is an old, well worked cultivar of Sweets, in fact all 3 formats of it, auto/F1FV/photo are one of the most stable reliable ones I can name having seen plenty of all 3 grown here and by me... For sure, this is not a hack-made auto, I think Sweet rates her actual ruderalis genetic content in the low single digit %....

When done, I got lazy and just plopped her, out of pot, beside the house for later dumping,... Apparently the landscaping irrigation was enough to keep her alive, in full shade no less! Some larfy bud bits were left behind, but nothing else...
For a while I kept seeing green, thinking it was the tiny bud bits still lingering,..then it started filling out too much for that to be the case! So I took a good look the other day, and f*ck me running if she isn't starting to leaf-up!
So I put her back in a pot, and will keep her going best I can to see where this goes... it's a mystery alright! Hard to say what the factors are here that allowed this: low light/short duration, near full stripping, otherwise health happy plant at harvest.... great soil (KIS Organic amended stuff)...

From what I gather from other breeders and growers, the "autoflower phenomena" is working in more ways than one.. For example: there's the subspecies ruderalis that bypasses the normal hormonal feedback loop that controls blooming as a survival adaptation; there's also ample evidence of "auto'ing" in certain equatorial landraces and heirloom cultivars. A friend got some seeds collected from PNG (by Skunkman Watson himself no less), he and a couple others started growing them out, and 2/3 got pheno's that bloomed under 20/4! Those auto-pheno's were crossed to each other, and even more autoflowering pheno's showed,... Now consider what an equatorial plant is experiencing with light/dark hours... many are at or near 12/12 their whole lives, right? So it begs the question on these auto'ing pheno's.. I speculate that such rare-ish pheno's doing this are staying in the population because this isn't a liability to survival, very likely has it's advantages so they persist in the population,... Certainly coming to the same expression as ruderalis, but under totally different circumstances and environmental/natural selection pressures!

So, whatever the deal is here, clearly the plant has managed to reverse the blooming hormone cycle despite being in the shade, near 12/12 light/dark, cool nights.... Something to chew on here at least, ay? :smoking:

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Do you have space/time to let this keep growing out? We've seen plants start to reveg at the end of life cycle, but the growth never seems to go anywhere. If that turns into a full blown vegged plant again.... fucking A dude lol.

 

[Son of Hobbes]

@Son of Hobbes
@Fitzy ... hold onto your hat mate, check this out!

By sheer dumb luck and chance, I have "conducted" an experiment on this reveg' thing, which I had doubts about before, but never really tried or looked into it prior to this thread discussion...
This is a recent harvest "corpse" (about a month ago) of a Green Poison auto. This is an old, well worked cultivar of Sweets, in fact all 3 formats of it, auto/F1FV/photo are one of the most stable reliable ones I can name having seen plenty of all 3 grown here and by me... For sure, this is not a hack-made auto, I think Sweet rates her actual ruderalis genetic content in the low single digit %....

When done, I got lazy and just plopped her, out of pot, beside the house for later dumping,... Apparently the landscaping irrigation was enough to keep her alive, in full shade no less! Some larfy bud bits were left behind, but nothing else...
For a while I kept seeing green, thinking it was the tiny bud bits still lingering,..then it started filling out too much for that to be the case! So I took a good look the other day, and f*ck me running if she isn't starting to leaf-up!
So I put her back in a pot, and will keep her going best I can to see where this goes... it's a mystery alright! Hard to say what the factors are here that allowed this: low light/short duration, near full stripping, otherwise health happy plant at harvest.... great soil (KIS Organic amended stuff)...

From what I gather from other breeders and growers, the "autoflower phenomena" is working in more ways than one.. For example: there's the subspecies ruderalis that bypasses the normal hormonal feedback loop that controls blooming as a survival adaptation; there's also ample evidence of "auto'ing" in certain equatorial landraces and heirloom cultivars. A friend got some seeds collected from PNG (by Skunkman Watson himself no less), he and a couple others started growing them out, and 2/3 got pheno's that bloomed under 20/4! Those auto-pheno's were crossed to each other, and even more autoflowering pheno's showed,... Now consider what an equatorial plant is experiencing with light/dark hours... many are at or near 12/12 their whole lives, right? So it begs the question on these auto'ing pheno's.. I speculate that such rare-ish pheno's doing this are staying in the population because this isn't a liability to survival, very likely has it's advantages so they persist in the population,... Certainly coming to the same expression as ruderalis, but under totally different circumstances and environmental/natural selection pressures!

So, whatever the deal is here, clearly the plant has managed to reverse the blooming hormone cycle despite being in the shade, near 12/12 light/dark, cool nights.... Something to chew on here at least, ay? :smoking:

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First reaction from Facebook is that it's not a true autoflower. I think we're going to hear that one echo'd quite a bit.

 

[Fitzy]

@Son of Hobbes
@Fitzy ... hold onto your hat mate, check this out!

By sheer dumb luck and chance, I have "conducted" an experiment on this reveg' thing, which I had doubts about before, but never really tried or looked into it prior to this thread discussion...
This is a recent harvest "corpse" (about a month ago) of a Green Poison auto. This is an old, well worked cultivar of Sweets, in fact all 3 formats of it, auto/F1FV/photo are one of the most stable reliable ones I can name having seen plenty of all 3 grown here and by me... For sure, this is not a hack-made auto, I think Sweet rates her actual ruderalis genetic content in the low single digit %....

When done, I got lazy and just plopped her, out of pot, beside the house for later dumping,... Apparently the landscaping irrigation was enough to keep her alive, in full shade no less! Some larfy bud bits were left behind, but nothing else...
For a while I kept seeing green, thinking it was the tiny bud bits still lingering,..then it started filling out too much for that to be the case! So I took a good look the other day, and f*ck me running if she isn't starting to leaf-up!
So I put her back in a pot, and will keep her going best I can to see where this goes... it's a mystery alright! Hard to say what the factors are here that allowed this: low light/short duration, near full stripping, otherwise health happy plant at harvest.... great soil (KIS Organic amended stuff)...

From what I gather from other breeders and growers, the "autoflower phenomena" is working in more ways than one.. For example: there's the subspecies ruderalis that bypasses the normal hormonal feedback loop that controls blooming as a survival adaptation; there's also ample evidence of "auto'ing" in certain equatorial landraces and heirloom cultivars. A friend got some seeds collected from PNG (by Skunkman Watson himself no less), he and a couple others started growing them out, and 2/3 got pheno's that bloomed under 20/4! Those auto-pheno's were crossed to each other, and even more autoflowering pheno's showed,... Now consider what an equatorial plant is experiencing with light/dark hours... many are at or near 12/12 their whole lives, right? So it begs the question on these auto'ing pheno's.. I speculate that such rare-ish pheno's doing this are staying in the population because this isn't a liability to survival, very likely has it's advantages so they persist in the population,... Certainly coming to the same expression as ruderalis, but under totally different circumstances and environmental/natural selection pressures!

So, whatever the deal is here, clearly the plant has managed to reverse the blooming hormone cycle despite being in the shade, near 12/12 light/dark, cool nights.... Something to chew on here at least, ay? :smoking:

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How long has it sat ect and the original person said it has to be a 24hr light schedule ect and I've seen no new growth ya the couple hairs turned into a mini bud but that's it I'm keeping it going but I don't think this is going anywhere it was also said it would revert back to photo I'm not seeing this occur and reveg to me means new shoots ect I see none on mine again like you stated I've run plenty of photos and even had 4 flower and veg from 18/6 there whole life so imho it's a trait like many other things which is why I just don't think all autos will produce this type of response

 

[pop22]

Well, we know what assume really means...lol! A take facecrook with a healthy dose of skepticism and an even bigger dose of Imodium........

BTW the strain William's Wonder has autoflower tendencies also. In fact, i believe I read that SSSC is using a William's Wonder as a base for their autoflowers. Read about it here:

https://supersativaseedclub.com/cannabis-seeds/auto-creeper.html

First reaction from Facebook is that it's not a true autoflower. I think we're going to hear that one echo'd quite a bit.

 

[derek420colorado]

I have seen this happen as well. I did the exact same thing. Left some Larfy bits on the bottom of a couple plants and they still got a little run off from being in the same room. So I am pretty excited to see this grow out.

 

[Waira]

Do you have space/time to let this keep growing out? We've seen plants start to reveg at the end of life cycle, but the growth never seems to go anywhere. If that turns into a full blown vegged plant again.... fucking A dude lol.

I'll try, but truth is my tent is down for the season,... maybe the client tent can be conscripted! As for the "true autoflower" horseshit, the fucks can go look at Green Poison auto themselves... Anybody who doubts that is just an ignorant hater, not interested in seeing the truth even as a simple empirical example, which is all this plant is, not a treatise on the whole damn ball of wax! Secondly, those clowns can start their argument by stating EXACTLY what a "true autoflower" is... I'm betting they can't, correctly! But you know better than I brudda, FB is a troll habitat for armchair experts
Whether she can be brought full circle again is the question, right? But here, now, there is no arguing with the fact that this plant has stopped flowering, and resumed vegetative growth....

How long has it sat ect and the original person said it has to be a 24hr light schedule ect and I've seen no new growth ya the couple hairs turned into a mini bud but that's it I'm keeping it going but I don't think this is going anywhere it was also said it would revert back to photo I'm not seeing this occur and reveg to me means new shoots ect I see none on mine again like you stated I've run plenty of photos and even had 4 flower and veg from 18/6 there whole life so imho it's a trait like many other things which is why I just don't think all autos will produce this type of response

All stated above Fitzty, nothing more, nothing less,.. This was a total chance result, not meant to happen... To me, the bell ringer here is this happening in ambient light hours now, and not even any Sun... Putting her into 20/4 or whatever beyond the appx. 12/12 she's at now would be more condusive the veg'ing right, not blooming...
I say keep tinkering with yours if you can, and tell us what she's getting currently for light and such...

Truth is I don't know what kind of scientific studies on "autoflowers" have been done, or even on C. ruderalis,... In fact current genetic studies have the whole taxonomy turned sideways, but that's a whole different subject!
Make you wonder though, with all these companies pouring million$ into their development and production... Are they flying half-bind (scientifically) on this? Are there solid studies done but simply not published or put out to the public, kept in-house? Very likely I'd wager!

 

[pop22]

There is a book called : Cannabis Regeneration that has some interesting techniques in it. It was written for photo periods of course but I'm going to try his method with one of the small plants I'm growing now. One thing he does is leave a bud or two very low on the plant. Those buds are enough for the plant to regenerate from. He snips about a 1/4 off the top of the bud/s, and new shoots sprout from the bud.


https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/cannabis-regeneration-jb-haze/1121108060?ean=9781937866334

 

[Fitzy]

I'll try, but truth is my tent is down for the season,... maybe the client tent can be conscripted! As for the "true autoflower" horseshit, the fucks can go look at Green Poison auto themselves... Anybody who doubts that is just a ignorant hater, not interested in seeing the truth even as a simple empirical example, which is all this plant is, not a treatise on the whole damn ball of wax! Secondly, those clowns can start their argument by stating EXACTLY what a "true autoflower" is... I'm betting they can't, correctly! But you know better than I brudda, FB is a troll habitat for armchair experts
Whether she can be brought full circle again is the question, right? But here, now, there is no arguing with the fact that this plant has stopped flowering, and resumed vegetative growth....

All stated above Fitzty, nothing more, nothing less,.. This was a total chance result, not meant to happen... To me, the bell ringer here is this happening in ambient light hours now, and not even any Sun... Putting her into 20/4 or whatever beyond the appx. 12/12 she's at now would be more condusive the veg'ing right, not blooming...
I say keep tinkering with yours if you can, and tell us what she's getting currently for light and such...

Truth is I don't know what kind of scientific studies on "autoflowers" have been done, or even on C. ruderalis,... In fact current genetic studies have the whole taxonomy turned sideways, but that's a whole different subject!
Make you wonder though, with all these companies pouring million$ into their development and production... Are they flying half-bind (scientifically) on this? Are there solid studies done but simply not published or put out to the public, kept in-house? Very likely I'd wager!

It is under 24hr of light bc that was the statement now to me if it were reveging would the plant only grow that lil larf but no leaves? Bc in my photos that were reveged by day 20 I would have seen real growth less than a bowl of wet larf I wouldn't call that reveging but I'm absolutely documenting this and will try with multiple bc as you stated I think it's trait related and it may be that it's similar to clones from an auto can it be done sure is it worth it? Again I had photos a few recently that autoed on me so I know not to under estimate nature.
The temps are 84 day 50 to 55% humidity night is 68 to 70 temp wise and 55% humidity right now and it was flushed after the chop to make sure it was ready for the nitrogen heavy veg nutes which I top dress with its now day 22 from pulling all buds from her and leaves aren't looking happy but the seedling is fine so soil ph ect is solid in a 1gal pot 20in from a hlg qb96v2s @ 250w dimmed from 320w anything info wise I left out lmk and will address it then I will be doing this again with a few other in 30days or so