Indoor Mars Hydro grow journal: WildBill does Hubbabubbasmelloscope in EarthBoxes under MarsHydro SP3000

Glad to hear that you've found something that is working for you. I've used trenches in all the sips I've run and had great luck with them. I've even experimented with something similar in regular pots on a much smaller scale. That said, I know enough to know that sometimes we do things that we attribute our success to, that had nothing to do with our actual success. And that said... I tend to repeat what works for me. Isn't being human confusing? LOL
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I'm always growing different strains, and looking for a set up that can work for the widest variety of strains possible. The idea that leaving the vast majority of the soil without nutes so that light feeders are not overwhelmed, and then leaving an ample resource at their disposal which allows heavy feeders to have access to all they need, makes sense, if that's how it actually works. Are you basing your criticism of trenches on science or experience?
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I base it on 30 years of organic farming......not gardening. The only time I've used banding of any sort was when planting corn. Corn is a very heavy feeder it's whole life and the banding with an organic fertilizer was to get it off to a good start. The soil and top dressed amendments carried it out to harvest. That area got chopped up, layer of compost and planted with a cover crop for the winter with legumes or hairy vetch and Elbon rye.

My base media is quite a good a good start. It has plenty of amendments. My added amendments build upon that. When mixing in the tote, everything I add will encourage microbial activity thru the entire media. I add a product that will moderate the media, kinda like the dolomite lime, and will provide housing for the microbes at the same time. It;s a micronized humic acid and biochar product. HumiChar by The Andersons.. I found out that Daz from Night Own uses their humic acid product in his media mix. I told him about their HumiChar product and how well it works in the lawn. We'll see if he starts using it in future mixes.

My main point to all this rambling is that it's better to encourage an expansive root system. With the plant's more expansive root system, it's easier for the plant to draw from the microbes the nutes it needs. In this grow in EBs, I'll be mainly feeding microbes and my worms that in turn feed the plant what the plant tell the microbes what it needs.

Does the banding work? Sure it does. The question is does it work better.
Thanks for your input and the discussion. I luv organics and I'm ALWAYS looking for different ideas and methods.
Mixing your nutes throughout your media gives the microbes more area to do their work to make it available to the plant. This will help the roots spread fully thru the media better and helps make all your other amendments available.. If you band it, the microbes can only work some of the nutes and the roots will tend to mainly to that area. With perfect moisture in the EBs, it just makes more sense to have more microbial activity throughout the entire media VS mostly concentrated activity in a single area. Sure there still will be microbial area all over the banded pot, but it will be concentrated and the rootball won't be as extensive.
 
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Thanks Slim Piggens! I appreciate it! :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

HumiChar and it's carbon can also help "lock up" any toxic or heavy metals that could be present. People don't realize that some things we add to compost or to our media that can have trace levels of toxic materials. One often used material is crab or crayfish meal. Both bottom feeders and guess where these toxins, that those animals can concentrate, are found? LOL!
There's all sort of examples. Are these huge problems, for the most part, no.
This is not the reason I use the product, but it sure as hell is one more positive in using this product. It also helps in retention and use of moisture. Other than being fairly expensive, there's not really any downside to the product. You could home grow for MANY years with a 40lb bag.
If Mañ'O'Green ran his commercial grow organically, one bag could help to grow a crazy amount of canna. It can still be beneficial in a chemical or mixed grow, just not to the same degree as organics. I wish I could do a side by side test with clones in a greenhouse or big grow room to test the difference.
 
Does the banding work? Sure it does. The question is does it work better.
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts and experience.

I don't believe that trenching time release nutes in bagged soil would work better than using well thought out and developed nutrient rich organic living soil. Nor do I imagine trenching would be necessary with seriously nutrient rich well built soil. I was curious if you abandoned or retained that technique given your soil choices.

For me at the moment, building my own soil is not an option (and sadly, neither are sips). But I'm always in search of a simple universal medium/nutrient delivery system that will allow a wide variety of strains to find their individual "happy places", if that's possible. So I'm playing around with other options. The current experiment is using FFOF that I've mildly augmented, and then doing something akin to trench methodology in the hopes that the light feeders will avoid it, and the heavy feeders will access it as need be. And now I can see in a whole new light the limitations of this plan, thanks to your descriptions of root zones and nutrient access.
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My current grow was very last minute, my next one will have more planning time. This round I'm not expecting to find any particular plants edge of its genetic envelope, I'd just like to find a singular simple consistent way to finish a wide variety of strains with their leaves still (at least mostly) green and the buds full, fat, and frosty.
 
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts and experience.

I don't believe that trenching time release nutes in bagged soil would work better than using well thought out and developed nutrient rich organic living soil. Nor do I imagine trenching would be necessary with seriously nutrient rich well built soil. I was curious if you abandoned or retained that technique given your soil choices.

For me at the moment, building my own soil is not an option (and sadly, neither are sips). But I'm always in search of a simple universal medium/nutrient delivery system that will allow a wide variety of strains to find their individual "happy places", if that's possible. So I'm playing around with other options. The current experiment is using FFOF that I've mildly augmented, and then doing something akin to trench methodology in the hopes that the light feeders will avoid it, and the heavy feeders will access it as need be. And now I can see in a whole new light the limitations of this plan, thanks to your descriptions of root zones and nutrient access.
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My current grow was very last minute, my next one will have more planning time. This round I'm not expecting to find any particular plants edge of its genetic envelope, I'd just like to find a singular simple consistent way to finish a wide variety of strains with their leaves still (at least mostly) green and the buds full, fat, and frosty.
Like I said, I enjoy discussing organics. Yeah, there's science behind organics, but there are so many ways to utilize that science. It's more of an art form that's based in science. There are a multitude of ways to get the same desired end results. As I've stated on this forum a couple times, you can use all the multitude of organic supplements for sale out there to grow canna. This can get very complicated, very expensive, very confusing and can get you into trouble. Very good quality canna can be grown with a pretty small list of ingredients added to your soil or media. Your microbes and worms break down those ingredients into pretty simple ones to feed what the plant asks for.

WHEN it becomes fully legal, you'll see me starting early in the season indoors and making some REAL monsters outdoors in a raised bed setting. And I'll be doing it at a VERY low cost when compared to a non-organic grow .................outdoors or indoors. And naturally way cheaper than indoors period.

Please tag me if you start a grow journal! I'm always up to read others methods on organics. I like to see if I can find things that I can try to see if I can utilize it in my program or way of thinking on organics.
 
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Thanks for the Rep!
If my neighbor gets his tiller working, I'll show what I'll do for an outdoor grow this spring. He needs to get off his ass.

With this grow, I'm gonna try to make them some HBSS seed for an outdoor grow.
 
DCLXVI
Thanks for the Rep!
If my neighbor gets his tiller working, I'll show what I'll do for an outdoor grow this spring. He needs to get off his ass.

With this grow, I'm gonna try to make them some HBSS seed for an outdoor grow.
NICE! Very interested in following seed making. I'm entirely too much of a noob to try. Figured I Grow sum bud before I make seeds. Lol.
 
NICE! Very interested in following seed making. I'm entirely too much of a noob to try. Figured I Grow sum bud before I make seeds. Lol.
It'll be my first time making seeds, but we have a BUNCH of great people here at AFN with the knowledge and they love to help.
 
@DCLXVI Plenty of room, so pile on Brother! Also, thank you @Humanrob for asking some great questions! I am getting really close to starting my first Autoflower grow in EB jr’s (sorry WB, I’ll get some regular sized EB’s for the next tent!) ;) so I am enjoying the hell out of this thread and re-reading @MOB ’s threads too! Damn, I miss him, he would LOVE the hell out of this thread!
 
@DCLXVI Plenty of room, so pile on Brother! Also, thank you @Humanrob for asking some great questions! I am getting really close to starting my first Autoflower grow in EB jr’s (sorry WB, I’ll get some regular sized EB’s for the next tent!) ;) so I am enjoying the hell out of this thread and re-reading @MOB ’s threads too! Damn, I miss him, he would LOVE the hell out of this thread!
Yeah, I miss @MOB! I wish he was here now. I want to transplant the HBSS into the EBs now. I think I'd be ok, but with me letting them stretch too much before I turned the lights off the minimum, they may still too sensitive. I think they may try to damp off. I did pull apart the cups to check root development and I could see good roots all the way down.=, so they may take it well.

I think I will transplant the others that are going into the 7gal pots today. The moisture levels in those pots is ok and safe. Maybe I'll do these today and see how well they do. If they do well, I'll do the HBSS then.

Gotta wait fer 6 hours, the girls just went to bed.:sleeping:
 
Yeah, I miss @MOB! I wish he was here now. I want to transplant the HBSS into the EBs now. I think I'd be ok, but with me letting them stretch too much before I turned the lights off the minimum, they may still too sensitive. I think they may try to damp off. I did pull apart the cups to check root development and I could see good roots all the way down.=, so they may take it well.

I think I will transplant the others that are going into the 7gal pots today. The moisture levels in those pots is ok and safe. Maybe I'll do these today and see how well they do. If they do well, I'll do the HBSS then.

Gotta wait fer 6 hours, the girls just went to bed.:sleeping:

WB, are you using a soil moisture probe? Do you have any recommendations for one?

I’m excited to see how your transplants go, I think they will take off once you transplant to your EB’s.
 
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