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I bought my first panel from this Chinese company http://www.aliexpress.com/store/104932 and i'm very happy with it, the shipment is free by DHL for 3parts of the world. It is a 1Wx144pics Red630nm Orange610nm Blue460nm 7-1-1 ration, the only problem i had with my 3 TD plant's in DWC was that i put the led panel at 70cm from plant's in the first day's and they started to get tall quickly, so i lowered it down to 20cm. Very healthy now!
Now i wanna buy 3 more panel's from them, i wanna try the full spectrum panel http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...0-band-10-Spectrums-IR/104932_1884032574.html.
What do you guy's think?
 
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Unless you are working with a very short grow space I think you should look for panels with 3watt LED. The 1W leds have a limited penetration which is most likely why your plants were stretching so much.
 
Hello people, I read most of this thread not too long ago but have forgotten most already, especially since 3rd of the way in there was so much contradiction, so please forgive me if I didn't read over it all again and just came to the end and posted. I will prob look like an ass since info has been regurgitated time and time again, I just wanted to explain before I continue that I wasn't someone who didn't do research, just too lazy to do it twice.
Ok so after looking through a variety of companies and what they offer and comparing to companies overseas and what I can get for the $ I found one manufacturer (recommended by a fellow grower here) that satisfied most of my wants. Here is a link to the units I recently ordered and below is the ratio, please let me know what anyone thinks, prob should have done this before I ordered.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/DHL-...-6-Led-grow-panel-support-DIY/1709993403.html

Ratio-
1- IR 725nm
7- 660nm deep red
3- 630-640nm red
2- 460nm blue
2- 6500k cool white

120deg primary 90deg secondary

Thank You

p.s. for those wondering I will also be running 2-4 15w uvb bulbs during flowering

 
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Look very nice to me, good bang for buck there!
 
Yea the seller is 100% with some gold medals aliexpress holds your money until you are satisfied. Looks really good and legit to me
 
Just curios if any Canadians on here have ordered from aliexpress. If so can you chime in on your experience like duty and hidden freight charges
 
Hey everyone, I just wanted to post that I received my LEDs, so for anyone that has any questions about them please feel free. Below is a pic and hopefully things go well with them..

280w panels, draw max 210 but averages 180 supposedly.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/DHL-F...709993403.html

Custom Ratio-
1- IR 725nm
7- 660nm deep red
3- 630-640nm red
2- 460nm blue
2- 6500k cool white

120deg primary 90deg secondary
 

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Fancy looking tech mate! Hope they work out great for you.
 
I get bored a lot and I know lots about leds and their role in photosythesis, especially as it pertains to the indoor cultivation of our beloved cannabis. Thought I'd introduce myself and start talking shop.

Anyway, these days, the right LED should cover about five different spectrums, excluding any white filler. infrared and UV radiation have both proven to beneficial and as the case my be, essential, in order for the plants to produce the full range of possible cannabinoids and terpenes. We're not just trying to keep the plants alive, during flowering we should bring out the best that the plant has to offer.

Anyway, I'm also technologically savvy. I know modern LED lights should have advanced secondary optics, heavy duty heat sinks (if you want years out of your light) and if you're lucky a microcontroller to prolong the life of your LEDs.

Allow me to explain that last part. That's what separates a light like a GN ms0004 and my LED. I posted a review of it a while ago, probably linked in this thread. The LEDs are all powered directly from a voltage converter. With a microcontroller you have the option of controlling your LEDs with pulse width modulation.

PWM is one of the secrets behind the success of Grow Northern lights. instead of always being on, it switches the voltage to the LED's from 3 to 0 and back to three in millionths of a second, basically flickering them as fast as the programming and microcontroller allows.

This is huge. That means they can run cooler, since they only produce heat (which kills any semi conductor) when they're on. So by blinking the lights, you use less energy, your LEDs run cooler, and I believe there's a second part to the story.

(i get off on tangets)

I think I remember reading somewhere that leaves can only absorb a certain amount of radiation per second or minute or something. Don't quote me on that, but I might have read something to that effect. The point is, most 3w LEDs produce ample PAR even when controlled via PWM (i.e. being off for part of the duty cycle). So this is definitely the tech we'll be growing with.

Back to the optics. You'll want the most up to date, futuristic, lenses you can buy, but you're pretty much stuck with three options.

60 degrees.
90 degrees.
and 120 degrees.


At the end of the day, it really depends on the canopy you'll be working with during flowering. Veg lights are different. But if you'll only be using one for the grow, i'd get a 90* - it's sort of the meeting point between photon penetration through the vegetation and coverage area, just in case square footage is a concern.


The best heat sinks I've ever seen on a grow light are vapor condensation pads on Kessil grow and aquarium lights. Basically it's a hollow metal case with a liquid inside that absorbs heat and evaporates and condenses on the other side of the pad, where there's a big dc fan circulating air. I have no doubt, based on the reputation of the company that they've developed an unmatched heat management system. Dunno if GN uses an auto/off feature just in case the unit over heats, but I do know California Light Works has that built in. Just so it doesn't cook itself.

What you need to understand is, each LED consumes 3w of power. It turns most of that into light. It's nearly the most efficient way to do that - but since it concentrates all of it's energy on one small chunk of luminescent phosphors, it tends to heat it rather quickly, even at low voltages. So a good heat sink is a must. I don't care if you're unit feels like it's running cool, those diodes are small, and on their scale, you'd hardly know if they were over heating till they burn out on you, unless you have an infrared thermometer... point that at your heatsink or the actual diode if you want an accurate reading of the semiconductor surface temp.

So all this stuff, the right spectral profile, highly efficient optics, a proper heat management system and PWM drivers... all of that can come together to create a really dependable grow light that you'll use season after season. Just gotta know what to look for.

Anyway, that's my write up - PM me with questions. I'm a timely responder.




thanks for your explanation :)
it's nice to be able to read to understand about things that I do not understand :)




will surely come up with questions about the led lights to you but to read this thread first before I make it so the answer is not in the thread already and you get the same question that you had a thousand times before.


but again love your explanation and is there anything more you can please write it out it's always interesting to understand what the lights are doing and what is the best :)


should not write lot more but will now read through the thread.


thanks and thanks again :)




best regards
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