So I started using distilled and staying on top of things and there's been some slight improvement but I'm still getting deficiency and some problems, cal mag on one plant and who knows what on the other....but I want to point out a third party in my testing and that is an auto nycd that has had the same water at the same times and received identical treatments and environment etc....only difference is no kind soil in the bottom of the pot and the pot is plastic not fabric....basically I'm having better results all the way around with using just roots 707 than using roots 707 with kind at the bottom....so I feel like I wasted my money buying some dirt to put in the bottom of my pot that really doesn't do anything further than the potting soil besides throw things out of whack. If I have to buy roots 707 to put on top of kind soil but the 707 does the same thing I guess I don't see why I'm buying the kind soil? Here's pics of the kind girls....last two pics will be off the girl in just straight 707....they are very small un happy plants all with Def. Problems. I've followed every thing to a T . My environment is great, my air flow is great. In keeping up on watering, not over or under. I've done everything I can as a Get to get this to perform. Honestly it doesn't even make sense still. How blank distilled water works, but RO doesn't, RO with general organics Calmag+ isn't advised to use and only allowed to use one type of PH adjuster? And for such a "complex" soil that the owner tells you you're wrong and his product is flawless when you ask for help, I'd expect a little better answer of why I have to use earth juice crystals than...."that's just what we've seen works because it's different acid" well I tried straight tap water that was sat out over 24hrs, natural PH was 6.7 and ppm are 300. Everything in range and it didn't work at all. Now I'm using distilled and have Def. Problems. I'm trying very very hard to not be negative but since this is a test thread I'll b honest. I would never use this product again, even if I got 25lbs for free....it gets a thumbs down from me and to add I want very happy with the customer service. Phil told me what he thought was wrong, while telling me if I followed directions it would work flawless and being defensive about when I'm just asking for help. Well I explained everything to him and then the problem changed to my environment after I showed I've followed directions. After explaining my environment and everything to a T and sending pictures I get no response for two days and then my response consisted of telling me the same things that are already posted on the site and not helping me at all. I didn't even respond back because I don't have time to talk in circles with someone who is so stubborn about their product when it clearly needs some work. I've seen other very good growers on here having problems also. It's like a few people got lucky and have the right water....but there's something in the directions missing that they need to dial in more because obviously following their exact directions doesn't work for everyone. I tried....