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Another thing...

I'm using AN's 3 part M G B... Now according to AN's feeding schedule you use equal amounts of the 3 parts... I did 30mls of each the other night there... But I dunno I'm wondering should I maybe go... During veg... Heavier on the grow part than the Bloom part?? & vice versa for flower?? It would make sense like.. But then again these nutes are maybe made up to a certain ratio so that equal amounts are the way they are suppose to used??

Although I do have extra additives like big bud, hammerhead, carboload & overdrive for the bloom phase.. So maybe I should just stick to equal amounts & let the additives do the boosting during flower?? I'm I making sense here folks?

If anyone has any advice... Throw it at me..

Laters peeps :toke:
 
Just been reading about the Lucus Formula for your feed,it's seems super simple and u only need to use Micro and Bloom from the start to finish,no Grow or additives used. I've copied this:-


General Hydroponics Flora Series Feeding Strategy - Lucas Formula

G-M-B (Grow-Micro-Bloom)
0-5-10 - For Vegetative cycle (18/6)
0-8-16 - For Flowering cycle (12/12)

The numbers above indicate the number of milliliters (ml) of Flora Grow, Micro or Bloom formulas that I use in one gallon (US Liquid) of nutrients.

You will notice I dont use any of the Flora “Grow” formula, do not need to, the Flora "Micro" provides plenty of Nitrogen.

There are two ways to work with this formula:

1. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected water solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. After adding back an amount of water equal to the amount of your reservoir capacity you should change the reservoir and put in fresh solution.

2. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected 100% strength nutrient solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. Continue to use this nutrient solution without dumping the tank unless the PPM rises above acceptable levels.

Between vegetative and flowering cycles you should dump your nutrients, then flush (possibly with Clearex) to remove salt buildups, then change to the other feeding program. Always shake your GH nutrient bottles before using them!

For young plants, just transplanted into the hydro setup, give them 50% strength nutrient mix to prevent overfeeding them while their young. Gradually bring up the mix to full strength as they grow over the next few weeks or so.

The lucas formula is normally intended for use with RO or near 0 PPM water.

NOTE: The Lucas formula eliminates the need for Epsom salts to correct (Magnesium) Mg deficiencies in most normal feeding programs recommended by manufacturers. Cannabis needs a lot of Magnesium to thrive.

The Flora Micro is providing the Nitrogen and the Magnesium in the proper balance, thus there is no need for the Grow formula and little or no room under the maximum acceptable ppm limit of 1600 @ 0.7 conversion.

Calculated EC/TDS levels:

EC microsiemen:
0-4-8: 946 µS
0-5-10: 1184 µS
0-8-16: 1894 µS

TDS @ 0.5 conversion:
0-4-8 = 473 ppm
0-5-10 = 592 ppm
0-8-16 = 947 ppm

TDS @ 0.7 conversion:
0-4-8 = 663 ppm
0-5-10 = 829 ppm
0-8-16 = 1326 ppm

Addback Calculator - (For Advanced Users)

Say you were running the 0-8-16 formula, at 0.7 conversion with a 22 gallon res. When you first fill it up, your ppm will be around 1330.

Now you have been growing for a week, and some of the water has been taken up by the plants, some has evaporated, and now your res is at 947 ppm. You need to get your ppm from 947 to 1330. Here is the equation:

((target - current) / target) * 8 ml per gallon * res gallons = Flora Micro (ml) double this figure to get Flora Bloom (ml)

Example:

((1330 - 947) / 1330) * 8 * 22
(383 / 1330) * 8 * 22
0.3 * 8 * 22 = 53 ml Flora Micro

53 ml Flora Micro, double that and you get 106 ml Flora Bloom. So 53 ml Flora Micro and 106 ml Flora Bloom to add back to your 22 gallon res to get you from 947 to 1330.

Using Hard Water GH Micro

I had been experimenting with using the Hard water Micro as a substitute for the normal Flora Micro, this to account for my hard 350 PPM water and the lack of a large enough RO filter at the time. It has worked well for me. I just kept my reservoir below 1150 PPM @ .5 conversion and its all good.

One tip - do not pH down this stuff, the hard water micro will drop pH gradually over the next 24 hours, for example I mix up a batch, it is at like 6.2, the next day, its at 5.6-5.8 after running in the system for a while. If I pH downed that to 5.7 before putting it in the system, it ended up as low as 4.8-5.2 by the next day.

My conclusion, the hard water micro was buffering the alkaline crud in my water, it just doesnot do it ASAP fast like the phosphoric acid.
 
ive must of used 5+ brands of hydro solution and it all works pretty similar for me

Just stick at and learn the feed
 
Cheers JT...

Yeah I've looked at that Lucas formula before.. SB pointed me towards it in a link he pasted for me...

I'm unsure how to go about using it with these AN nutes... IE: I'm guessing the ratios are different from GH... I don't know if I can use them like that.. IE: whatever Micro I use just double the mls for the Bloom part..

The Lucas formula does seem super simple though... I'll have to go & look at that link he sent me again..

Also on the bottles of the 3 part it says all 3 MUST be used together... Although I do take that with a pinch of salt.. I mean that might be to guarantee the pH perfect thingamajig.. Or it's just sales guff to get you to buy all 3 bottles..

Thanks anyway JT... I chew this over as the day progresses...

I appreciate you copying that bro..

You too Agito... Your input is most welcome...

Peace homies...
 
Ok I've worked out that the water volume in my res = 13.5L which = 3.5 US Gallons... Now if I went with the Lucas formula that would indicate (according to that write up) that I should be using in veg... Grow 0mls, Micro 17.5ml & Bloom 35mls... ???? Per 3 US gallons

Now if I fed that to them they would be starving again... As on Fri night I had to put in 30mls of each of the 3 parts to get an acceptable EC of 1.4-1.5/700ish ppm.

Do you see what I'm getting at here?? I had to put in 30mls of each = 90mls all in all to get enough food in there for them to start growing properly..

Unless maybe I could put in Grow 0mls, Micro 30mls & Bloom 60mls = 90 mls all in all?? But I know it won't be as simple as that.. Nothing ever is when I'm doing it. I suppose I could do a trial run when I get home.. To see where my EC would be...

According to that write up you posted there JT it seems as the weeks progress the EC's don't get any stronger.. But SB is telling me to try & build these girls up... Although how much I can go past 1.6-1.8 EC remains to be seen... I mean how far can these EC's go before it gets too much??

Or am I just being stupid & missing something??

I'm sure SB will chip in with a titbit or two when he next logs on..
 
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I'll maybe try the 3-2-1... 1-2-3 method... :/
 
Ok... After frying my head today with all this lucas formula shit... It seems that the N-P-K ratios you want to be aiming for with canna is 1-1-2....

My nutes NPKs are as follows...

Micro.. 2-0-0
Grow.. 1-0-4
Bloom. 1-3-4

Add that shit up & you get an NPK of 4-3-8... Pretty damn close to the 1-1-2 ratio that is preferred by canna..

Now please correct me if I'm wrong & that is not the way to add these NPK figures up... As
Genesis nutes have info on their website which explains how to add up their NPKs... You add up the numbers & then divide that number by how many different parts used..

Example...

Micro nitrogen = 2
Grow nitrogen = 4

Equals 6 divide by 2= 3

So total N in that mix is 3%

But I'm not sure if that formula is universal..

Maybe someone can clear this up for me??

Peace out

Hydro master!!

Kush T Dog.. :p
 
Hmm.. No takers.. Ah well..

Ok I have a definite girl in the tent... Pistils showing on the healthier babe @ 21days.. So that's cool..
 
Ok... So I'm this close to pulling this weakling & starting again... Too much electricity/light, nutes & my energy & time has gone into this little plant & she is doing f**k all..

I know I can do better... Much better...

So f**k it that's what I'm gonna do.. Pissing about with this thing is just getting me well annoyed...

Maybe it coz I'm out of meds... I dunno... But I'm can see/feel the red mist..
 
i dont use 3 part looks to complicated for me im a 2 part fine and some one parts
 
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