Here's the problem with paying that much for seeds, ( I've seen a few even higher! ) what is a reasonable profit on a seed? I think auto growers are beginning to be taken advantage of. I mean if autos become the most popular way to grow, they have us held hostage to whatever they want to charge. If they can get say 300 seeds per plant ( not an unreasonable estimate ) x say 100 plants ( I'm sure they have more than that likely ), thats 30,000. so thats a potential $600,000 at $20 per seed. now thru a seedbank there's a middleman son they get a cut too. Now thats for just one strain so multiply that by ? strains.... Everyone it seems is trying to get rich of us, yet many of us grow because we can't afford to by our mj. So $20 per seed+ growing expenses... getting close to not being worth it i think. At least with photos, you can clone them to make up for the price.
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Hey bro could I offer some food for thought?
With just about any market; you can factor in supply and demand. That's the influence of price based on the availability of a product and the desire of consumers for the product. If you asked people oh what, like six+ years ago, what they thought of the autoflower market? They'd probably say it was a pretty niche market. Since then, you've got TONS of breeders that have sunk countless hours of hard work into breeding auto strains that are stronger and have more of the characteristics that people are looking for from their experience with photo strains.
It's come a LONG way, but that didn't happen without a lot of hard work and energy.
what is a reasonable profit on a seed? I think auto growers are beginning to be taken advantage of. I mean if autos become the most popular way to grow, they have us held hostage to whatever they want to charge
A reasonable profit on a seed would be one that covers your associated costs with getting that seed to market in the first place, while HOPEFULLY leaving some left over to take to the bank. Not sure what kind of businesses are in business to not make money, but they generally don't tend to stay in business haha! Also, I respectfully disagree that we're being held hostage; the seed market is a market dictated by supply and demand. There's a reason hot strains come onto seed banks and sell out within days. Limited supply, lot of demand, easy to charge what people are WILLING to pay. If people quit paying and suddenly you're sitting on a warehouse full of inventory, then you might look into the what's and why's.
now thru a seedbank there's a middleman son they get a cut too.
You're actually reinforcing the higher prices with this statement. If I'm Manufacturer X selling Product Y to Retailer Z, chances are the retailer is paying "at cost." As a manufacturer, I still need to cover my expenses and hopefully turn a profit. As a retailer, I need to cover my expenses and still turn a profit. That would make it seem like "oh well just cut out the middle man." Then you're putting a lot of responsibility and liability and new associated costs on the manufacturer, who probably isn't equipped for the retail market like that.
I know it seems like seed prices are high; but this isn't the average run of the mill tomato grower they are selling to; it's a cannabis market and right now it looks like it's regulating itself. Most seed banks are pretty darn close to price with each other, that should tell you right there that nobody's taking the piss out of anybody. When somebody starts selling Dutch Passion beans for $5 a seed, then we can start raising an eyebrow wink wink
Also, do you have any insight into what these breeders do? How much time they've invested? How much of their personal space and time seeding takes up? Any idea if this is their primary source of income? Secondary? Is this their business?
Do you have any insight into what their cost is associated with their growing and seeding and breeding? Are you paying their costs for electrical, nutrients, growing medium, HVAC, security, liability, insurance, etc? Do you know how much promotional advertising, web space, marketing, packaging (some of those breeders packs are pretty fancy,) and other hidden things cost?
See what I mean?
So before blaming seed companies for making millions off you (which I'm pretty sure they are not,) please at least consider all of the other factors that may play into what the price may be.
So $20 per seed+ growing expenses... getting close to not being worth it i think. At least with photos, you can clone them to make up for the price.
So are you upset with the price of autos, or are you upset that autos aren't as commercially viable as photo strains? There are a plethora of variables that can affect the outcome of your grow and how much weight you harvest; there are a ton of great guides here on AFN for growing and with a little experience, you can easily start pulling an oz plus per plant. Even at $20 a seed + growing expense, your return on investment is there bro. If you have questions or need help with your grows; just let us know and we'll lend a hand; this is such a great community for that!
So in summation, just want to say that we have a lot of breeders on AFN, both private and big label, would be nice to show a little respect and appreciation for the hard work and energy they put into it so that guys like you and me can enjoy growing them. I know if I spent my hard work and time into something; I'd like to know people appreciated it
Anyways just food for thought bro; feel free to agree or disagree; just wanted to share some perspective with you!
