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[Growtogrow]

....you could have given them a rinse and a blow-dry! .... Oh well, stuff like that keeps a health bit of humble about us, right?

The PP would be fine with the late run, but not so sure about the WT,.. no forcing speed into that one, she's a true equatorial landrace derived Sati', and Asia Dragon Queens do not like to be rushed! Cold will bog things down as well.... Her mold resistance is something to consider in addition!
Oh on that note, I'll be chatting with the owner of "RotBlock", which didn't die out as thought, the rep's just bailed! The owner reached out to staff, under the name Phyter (also product's true name) and wants testing done, so I'll keep you up on that-
It's a similar bio-agent as the BotryStop I used last year, only a different microbe,... I can say it works, it's the only thing that got the Strawberry Amnesia across the finish line due to her being mold-weak! You can read up on it in the RotBlock section here....

About Reputation, we used to have it on the old software, this new one had to have it added in as an "extra",.... like Hecno said, it's just an e-back slap for anything that one deems worthy,... something funny, great results, good info, awesome harvest/buds, that sorta thing,.... Just a little extra acknowledgement is what that's about!

Thanks
Yeah you know I did rinse them off right after I sprayed them. it was spring water or distilled water whatever had in the bottled drinking at the time.. But what I did find out that don't help. Is some of these strains are real sensitive. I found a few of the strains that I'm working with are much more sensitive than other ones to that effect also. The White fire or Wi-Fi strain it seems to be very sensitive to anything I do to it. So far I've only gotten a couple of clones off it and it's been a struggle every inch of the way. To get them to go.... Ugh... I did get a Strawberry sour diesel to clone finely feeew damn.. Im also having a time with the new Chocolate mint og. I've worked with this plant many times in the past and always had good cloning success.
But my cloning success has been spot-on compared to times in the past using the other method with the dip and the root Riot cubes in the propagator. This air cloner seems to be so much easier.. I may have mixed my solution too strong also. As the instructions say anywhere between 40 and 50 ml per gallon. I'm using the upper side of that at just about 50 ml. So it may be too strong for some of the strains and maybe I possibly should run it at the bottom level for the first week of cloning and then maybe bump it up after that once the plants get used to it. It's still a learning curve to me but my success has been good so far. I can't complain too much.

The wild Thailand this one here I have from seed is doing really well with the p.m. right now in my grow. As I have p.m. now in my basement again and it's makes its run through all of the plants but she hasn't gotten it yet. "now that I've said that I probably burn bread on it " The pineapple poison though had a few dots on it here a few weeks back. I gave her a good treatment of the plant therapy and quelled it. But I have found out some of the strains that I'm running from seed right now. That the ones that are getting the p.m. easy I've found them. So those won't go outside ever for my runs anyways...

You know the light dep thing is really a good tool for moving these long-running plants right along in my latitude. As I've had pretty good experience with running long run plants. Such as and Neville's Haze for example. The Neville's Haze is longest flowering plants I've ever tried to deal with. With a flowering time between 14 to 18 weeks long.
I did really good with the one seed that I ran in 2017. I took it all the way to Halloween though from a start date July 10th and it was just getting about 10% Amber at the time of harvest. I pulled it in just before the first ice. She gave me almost two and a half kilos. As every single branch was large colon

Neville haze 2017

She was a beautiful plant. she has beautiful sativa leaves. I always called her my Yeti of the garden.

 

[hecno]

Wish I could grow out doors . they are stunning plants .

 

[Growtogrow]

Wish I could grow out doors . they are stunning plants .

Thanks @hecno ...
Man I wish everyone could grow they're own outside... it is so fun to grow outside. And where I'm going to grow at up north I'm going to grow as big as I can get them to go I ain't going to play around with a few of the plants up there I'm not going to grow anything natural it's all going to be manicured and manipulated but they're going to be beautiful large plants similar to the ones that I grew in my backyard last year up near my house. Those plants grew very big I was super happy with them and I didn't even try. Because the gloves are off. I don't have to worry about height restrictions do to prying eyes. So for lack of a better word..... Im going to grow "Hog Wild" !!!!

 

[Jean-O]

Thanks @hecno ...
Man I wish everyone could grow they're own outside... it is so fun to grow outside. And where I'm going to grow at up north I'm going to grow as big as I can get them to go I ain't going to play around with a few of the plants up there I'm not going to grow anything natural it's all going to be manicured and manipulated but they're going to be beautiful large plants similar to the ones that I grew in my backyard last year up near my house. Those plants grew very big I was super happy with them and I didn't even try. Because the gloves are off. I don't have to worry about height restrictions do to prying eyes. So for lack of a better word..... Im going to grow "Hog Wild" !!!!

Right on bud. I can't wait to get the outdoor planted either n I absolutely love growing big monster plants in the OD! Are you planning on caging them ? I've got a plan for securing mine better this year with triple caging to help hold em up. I think I'm going to build a wooden frame out of 4x4s n double stack some pig fence with my smaller cages at the trunk. Best of luck I can't wait to see some Michigan monsters growing again this year!

 

[Growtogrow]

Right on bud. I can't wait to get the outdoor planted either n I absolutely love growing big monster plants in the OD! Are you planning on caging them ? I've got a plan for securing mine better this year with triple caging to help hold em up. I think I'm going to build a wooden frame out of 4x4s n double stack some pig fence with my smaller cages at the trunk. Best of luck I can't wait to see some Michigan monsters growing again this year!

Hey @Jean-O

 

[Growtogrow]

Hey @Jean-O

Well you know I put quite a bit of thought into this, how I was going to grow those up there. I may use some cages... but I'm not going to grow them up.... Im going to grow them out. I'm going to splay them out along the ground so that they lay along the ground about foot off the ground. Will Keep them tied down like that throughout the entire grow.
When it comes flower time and they start to stretch I'm going to look at them real close and see what kind of supports I want to use??? if I want to use the cage type scrog net like I've used in the past or if I'm going to use bamboo sticks and a bunch of time I'm not sure yet how I'll do it this year?? especially up there but everything's going to be low profile stealth.
I'm going to probably run in all four directions one laying down North laying down south part of it laying East n West.. if you would look at it from overhead it may look like a for Christmas trees laying like a cross. Or it may look like one big green circle not sure how it'll look yet or how they'll grow. They may look like the ones I had out back here kind of look like those snowballs cupcakes
I guarantee this no matter what they look like they're going to be monster producers. And that's really what it's all about I'm not in this for a beauty contest. Although growing a nice big tall tree sure would look pretty I just know that that's not the best for producing a large yield.

 

[Waira]

...oh shit, did I space this or what?!

Yeah you know I did rinse them off right after I sprayed them. it was spring water or distilled water whatever had in the bottled drinking at the time.. But what I did find out that don't help. Is some of these strains are real sensitive. I found a few of the strains that I'm working with are much more sensitive than other ones to that effect also. The White fire or Wi-Fi strain it seems to be very sensitive to anything I do to it. So far I've only gotten a couple of clones off it and it's been a struggle every inch of the way. To get them to go.... Ugh... I did get a Strawberry sour diesel to clone finely feeew damn.. Im also having a time with the new Chocolate mint og. I've worked with this plant many times in the past and always had good cloning success.
But my cloning success has been spot-on compared to times in the past using the other method with the dip and the root Riot cubes in the propagator. This air cloner seems to be so much easier.. I may have mixed my solution too strong also. As the instructions say anywhere between 40 and 50 ml per gallon. I'm using the upper side of that at just about 50 ml. So it may be too strong for some of the strains and maybe I possibly should run it at the bottom level for the first week of cloning and then maybe bump it up after that once the plants get used to it. It's still a learning curve to me but my success has been good so far. I can't complain too much.

Hmm, noted on the WiFi sensitivity.... I think Ill be OK because this Cherry WiFi is a cross, and has been put to the test Down Under by the breeder who ran the parents and bred this for-fun cross.
There are so many treatments for WPM, but for sure some plants react badly to some of these products, those made from botanical oils seem to be more dicey than others... One can always knock the WPM down with plain old Potassium Bicarb, and test a few leaves out with the more atomic stuff!

I seriously recommend you get some Optic Foliar Transport for treatments and feeds - .. They make a great Cu based fungicide called ATAK, to be used in conjunction with Transport, and together they kick the snot outta most fungal patho's! It's what I use to spot-treat any open wounds from botrytis removal...shuts that shit down hard... the Cu does get metabolized away, like any other micronute foliar would...I still discard the wound site when trimming buds though, too fugly looking and beat up-
Have I mentioned Transport before? It's a carrier/penetrant, allowing temporary permeability through the cuticle and will drag along whatever is dissolved in it for the ride... Most defc.'s can get a major head start correction using this stuff! .... Dinesh, the owner/inventor says transport may be effective on vermin's bodies too (no scientific proof, just anecdotal observations but good ones), same idea, it's fucks with their waxy cuticle layer on the exoskeleton and may allow the pesti' used to get more direct penetration into their bodies!

The wild Thailand this one here I have from seed is doing really well with the p.m. right now in my grow. As I have p.m. now in my basement again and it's makes its run through all of the plants but she hasn't gotten it yet. "now that I've said that I probably burn bread on it " The pineapple poison though had a few dots on it here a few weeks back. I gave her a good treatment of the plant therapy and quelled it. But I have found out some of the strains that I'm running from seed right now. That the ones that are getting the p.m. easy I've found them. So those won't go outside ever for my runs anyways...

It makes sense, many Sativa's have strong fungal resistance because of the climate they are adapted too,.. My worst rot issues are without exception, the more Indi-dom ones, and the more dry/arid derived parentage, the more likely they will be weak against it beyond the problems with sheer bud density...

We shall see my friends, @Jean-O --- with that Phyter product put to the grind this year! Personally, I'm going to treat them weekly from day 1 outside, and spray as late as advisable in bloom,... Another trick I want to try, picked up from that chelation/humic-fulvic article in Reference, is a single last week or so foliar with a mild fulvic acid foliar... Fulvic works magic inside as well, it aids in the transport of other nutrients within the plant, and plenty of that going on with terp's, resins at late stages! K, S, Mn, amino's play big roles in cannabinoids and terpene production!
That said, I'll ask Phyter about using Transport with their product, pure speculation that it may help the spores settle in deeper/better with the cuticle layer "softened up" by it..?
Another thing I would like to see explored, and maybe you or Jean would be interested in playing with this, is using the Transport along with the STS spray... hypothesis is, if you can use less conc. solution (Transport general advise is to reduce anything you put into it by half) and have less adverse reactions AND get more into the plant, it would help make better male flowers and less stress/damage as well...

Daaaamn! --that NevHz is a beast and a beauty! Nicely done GTG, to land that girl as well as you did ...how was the smoke? And who's version was this one?

-- keep your eye's peeled dudes, 4/20 coming up and so the 2021 OD auto-photo Comp kicks off!

 

[Growtogrow]

...oh shit, did I space this or what?!


Hmm, noted on the WiFi sensitivity.... I think Ill be OK because this Cherry WiFi is a cross, and has been put to the test Down Under by the breeder who ran the parents and bred this for-fun cross.
There are so many treatments for WPM, but for sure some plants react badly to some of these products, those made from botanical oils seem to be more dicey than others... One can always knock the WPM down with plain old Potassium Bicarb, and test a few leaves out with the more atomic stuff!

I seriously recommend you get some Optic Foliar Transport for treatments and feeds - .. They make a great Cu based fungicide called ATAK, to be used in conjunction with Transport, and together they kick the snot outta most fungal patho's! It's what I use to spot-treat any open wounds from botrytis removal...shuts that shit down hard... the Cu does get metabolized away, like any other micronute foliar would...I still discard the wound site when trimming buds though, too fugly looking and beat up-
Have I mentioned Transport before? It's a carrier/penetrant, allowing temporary permeability through the cuticle and will drag along whatever is dissolved in it for the ride... Most defc.'s can get a major head start correction using this stuff! .... Dinesh, the owner/inventor says transport may be effective on vermin's bodies too (no scientific proof, just anecdotal observations but good ones), same idea, it's fucks with their waxy cuticle layer on the exoskeleton and may allow the pesti' used to get more direct penetration into their bodies!



It makes sense, many Sativa's have strong fungal resistance because of the climate they are adapted too,.. My worst rot issues are without exception, the more Indi-dom ones, and the more dry/arid derived parentage, the more likely they will be weak against it beyond the problems with sheer bud density...

We shall see my friends, @Jean-O --- with that Phyter product put to the grind this year! Personally, I'm going to treat them weekly from day 1 outside, and spray as late as advisable in bloom,... Another trick I want to try, picked up from that chelation/humic-fulvic article in Reference, is a single last week or so foliar with a mild fulvic acid foliar... Fulvic works magic inside as well, it aids in the transport of other nutrients within the plant, and plenty of that going on with terp's, resins at late stages! K, S, Mn, amino's play big roles in cannabinoids and terpene production!
That said, I'll ask Phyter about using Transport with their product, pure speculation that it may help the spores settle in deeper/better with the cuticle layer "softened up" by it..?
Another thing I would like to see explored, and maybe you or Jean would be interested in playing with this, is using the Transport along with the STS spray... hypothesis is, if you can use less conc. solution (Transport general advise is to reduce anything you put into it by half) and have less adverse reactions AND get more into the plant, it would help make better male flowers and less stress/damage as well...

Daaaamn! --that NevHz is a beast and a beauty! Nicely done GTG, to land that girl as well as you did ...how was the smoke? And who's version was this one?

-- keep your eye's peeled dudes, 4/20 coming up and so the 2021 OD auto-photo Comp kicks off!

Hey pal thanks I appreciate it..
Well you know I've tried the optic foliar a couple of years back. The transport. I still have the Switch ..

I forget what the other thing was called that came with it all??? Ooo Attack. but 2 little jugs and 1 big jug came with my order. I was having bad P.M. in 2019 out in the outside garden..
I would try it again to see if it's improved...But when I was using it then as far as the p.m. was concerned. I wasn't that impressed with it. And it was very expensive to use it... It was like I forget but it was near $30 an application for my garden and had to do the applications like 3 times a week in the sun light.
Well that's when I discovered the Green Cure product that has the potassium bicarbonate in it. That shit works great and kills like a 150 some different types of fungus, can be used right up to the day of harvest.
But again both of those products defeat my microbe rich foliar tea spray that I put on the plants to build up my microbe life on the leaves. So I hesitate to use anything unless I absolutely have too.
But I would give the Optic foliar a go again on a plant that I know is subjectable to bud rot and p.m. and would do a thread on it. give it a go again with the optic foliar. Also with the other product too that we discussed earlier... again I'm not good with remembering names maybe I smoke too much. but I remember when things work and when they're okay and when they're not good at all... I have no problem remember those things

Over the weekend I discovered the p.m. on the wild Thailand on a couple of leaves that were in the shadows. I haven't spun the plants in a while to change the light ( the ligbt mover is on and working ) so it was bound to pick it up. I imagine it really didn't have much choice I have it in the basement now so there's no getting away from it. Some of the plants that I'm growing right now are doing really well with the p.m. even though it's pretty prevalent on some of the strains but other strains that are sitting right next to the p.m. aren't getting it at all... I'm taking notes.

Yes the Wi-Fi does not like whatever I'm doing rather be the clonex rooting spray or the hormone spray or if the CloneX was too strong for it at 50 ml per gallon of the cloneX cloning solution.. not sure which one it is but the Wi-Fi, chocolate mint OG, the Banana Kush and one other 1 really are having a hard time with them to get them to Clone and come out right.
So the next batch that I take of those I'm taking them alone and using a 35 to 40 ml cloning solution mix and none of the hormone spray to see what happens. As I have a couple of clients that want the Banana Kush real bad and are waiting now for too damn long. The chocolate mint OG I want, I need a couple more clones of CMOG for my own garden this year outside.

Aaa thanks the Neville's Haze is Seedsman genetics.

 

[Growtogrow]

Pineapple Poison
Getting closer I'm surprised how far she has come in the last few days..some of the trikes are turning opaque already? I'm going to get the microscope out in a couple of days and take a look at her real close.
But yeah she looks really close right now.
Take a look.

 

[Growtogrow]

Wild Thailand
She is looking better n better.
Also closer than I would think at this time. Mmmmm..
Have a look