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@420autoflower
Thanks for the welcome, it's inspiring and makes me want to try this technique but having never grown before it seems a far fetched idea. Maybe one day.
Would be good to grow a few out before trying something advanced like a 420 scrog, but we’re here to help when you’re ready.
I just spent a lot of time helping someone with a scrog that lives in a different country until I found out it was his first grow. He’s in the middle of a multiple plant 420 scrog on a 4x8’ tray and didn’t have a clue where to start and driving me crazy. I was a bit suspicious in the beginning from all his newbie questions but I didn’t find out until I blatantly asked him if he’s ever grown weed before. I felt bad but had to end that real quick!!!
Those 20 young ladies are looking super healthy for their age 420! What are your methods for getting such a good start for the first 14 days brother?
Thanks Tristan!
They got a good start because I had everything dialed in from the beginning. Environment, PPFD and fertigation was on point from day one and I’ve been giving them all they would need and more.
No reason for slow growth!
Photone is awesome, eh? Glad you got that going.
So ... with light levels measured, the only remaining unknowns are genetics, the plant's and the grower's.
Speaking of genetics, gonna be fun flattening this gal out in her 4' x 2' tent. Her tallest branch is 24", others around 20".
And she was supposed to be 'short and stout'. I'm learning: Ya' never know.
( Will do the HST in a few days. )
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I’ve come to the conclusion genetics determines the overall height of your plants. Lighting might be a slight factor but genetics plays a bigger roll.
What?! 18 plants at the same time!
Tis the season Brother!
I’m planning on running 15 out of the 19 I have and half of them will be grown outdoors in my 420autoflower rolling scrog carts.
Going to be a busy summer!!!
Day 30 for the
@Sawney_bean White Gen 3 & The Knightmare.
The WG needs another leaf strip tomorrow to finish her off and some branch repositioning. The Knightmare is now good to go
The frame will get lowered another inch or so once they have initially recovered from their prune.
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Nice Deano!
It’s about time buddy!
Thats whats up! This will be cool, there have been alot of new growers coming to this thread, it will be nice for them to see it happen from another grower. You and
@420autoflower take some slightly different approaches. It will show that not everything has to be exactly the same to get amazing results!!! Stoked!
Happy to know people are coming over.
We always need more members here!
Nice to see other experienced growers do their own thing with the 420 method. As long as you run hydroponics and apply the basic 420 principles you’ll get good results.
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Finished! A bit of work for a first-timer, will be easier next time around.
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You see… it wasn’t that bad! Lol!
Its definitely hard to take a pair of pliers to a plant you’ve been babying for over a month but it gets easier after you’ve done a few.
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Finished! A bit of work for a first-timer, will be easier next time around.
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Clean and tidy!!!
Totally agree. I read 420's threads on Instagram and Reddit regularly, and it's interesting, and understandable I think, that some folks are doubtful. Someone suggested that he must be using growth hormones, etc. My guess is if more of us can replicate the master's technique, as DOA has already done multiple times, many more will give it a go. And by the way, 420 has started a new thread on Instagram that looks like it will be very helpful in its thoroughness.
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( *Lotsa'* new growth overnight, center already filling in. Daily tasks will include keeping her tops down, they escape overnight and turn
toward the light. Stem massaging takes the upward curls away. Will have to pick up plant wire today to keep them tucked. )
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Thanks
@Mongoose!
There’s actually many people around the world that are having success with the 420 method. They’ve been seeing my grows on other platforms and sneaking over here to get info and hitting me up with questions. Taking up a lot of my time but rewarding when I see their results.
Your girl is filling in well! Lots of potential there!
I don’t always post mine in here but here is my second scrog 2 Nightowl Dogwhistle’s day 73 in 1 gallon pots
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Beautiful!
Sweet looking canopies my friend!
Yes, thanks. No, I am not looking for results like this.
I want less work and time attending them. This will be an experiment in seeing how much I can get with ideal soil mix amended in 3 gallon fabric bags. With Osmocote Plus, hand watering, adjusting water nutes at times. My aim in this run is continue looking for the perfect cultivars for personal flower vaping effects. And with little attention other than shaping, watering, defol, etc. 2" metal screen scrog. Moving outside in June to finish. Just harvested from 6 Grodan Big Mamas. 3 with the 4" block on top, and 3 with seeds started directly into Mamas. No difference. Hand watered with oxygenated custom nutes once a day, sometimes every other day. Will never bother with stacking anything again. Mamas are only 8 bucks, so for me, why do anything else. They are a full two gallons. Once and done.
I pay a total of $5.75+tax for my Grodan 4x4” and 6x6” Hugo stack.
Got the photoperiods(Dutch Passion Blue Zushi and SLIC) trained out and schwazzed, flipping to flower here in the next few days or so! These girls arent supposed to stretch much so thats why im filling the canopy a little more. Super excited for both of these strains!
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Nice scrog
@KingRatt!
You did a great job flattening them out.
I like your metal grid.
No problem yeah it's really hard to over water in coco and small containers I don't know much if anything about rock wool and watering. I still work my way slowly to max fertgations first 2-3 weeks is once a day max then once I put them on automatic feeds I start with 2 and add fertagtions as needed. 1 gallon is about as small as I'd go I've done it with solo cups but yeilds aren't there. I typically I do 2-3 gallons this was the first time in 1 gallons and I'm really happy with the results. I do believe the bigger pots and or stacking like 420 does increases yields my biggest plant have been in 3 gallons.
The reason for a 2 hour morning waiting period before the first irrigation is so the special nutrients that the plant has asked the microbes to make overnight have time to be absorbed by the root system before they are washed away. At night the roots exude chemicals that stimulate the Microbiome to produce elements the plant wants. Yes there is a very active biome even in DWC.
That's
if your running a dark period which is against the 420autoflower bylaws
Lol!!! I think 18/6 would be fine but I would be on the safe side and run 24 hours of light after you scrog (during stretch) to make sure your canopy fills in well.
And just to show how good I am at this after 5 grows total, ( hahaha! ) this is my other gal, who was started at the same time as Ms Monster, in indentical conditions, and who sprouted 4 days *sooner* than Monster. I moved her off to a 2 x 2 tent to see what would become of her. After 42 days, not even a pistil. I switched her to 12/12 light cycle yesterday, to see what might happen. I spent a lot of time putting her through LST, defoliating. I've had strange things like this happen before, and even at my first grow. Sharing this with the new(er) growers here to demonstrate: it usually is, but might not always be, your fault.
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It’s genetics!!!
Same cultivar, equipment, nutrients and environment and they both still turned out completely different.
I’m seeing the same thing in my tent.
At the risk of monopolizing 420's thread, my newbie thoughts after 18 months of diving into this growing ordeal.
Hydroponics for the win. Most commercial vegetable growers do it: rock wool starter in a 4" x 4" rock wool cube.
Make a simple and inexpensive recirculating system, copy 420's. Do not over fertilize, and make adjustments
to nute strength gently, over time. GH FloraNova Grow and FloraNova Bloom, for example: all one needs. Too easy.
Keep pH at 6.0. Buy a quality pH pen or use a GH dropper kit. Cheap pH pens lie, I have three of them that proved that.
Do not over fertilize. Bruce Bugsbee from Utah State is a good resource. He never goes above 1.3 EC, sees no need.
LED lights by now are all about the same. Some might last longer, but how can we tell?
Use the recommendations at Photone website for autoflower PPFD and DLI, they link to data points.
Keep temps and humidity within range, try to avoid significant variances. Plants do not like change. Like most of us that way.
No worries man!
Feel free to post as you wish. Always good to get solid info and feedback.
Appreciate you laying out some of the basics.
