Seed Bank Growers choice seeds. Opperating out of California.

:shrug: why? There's a lengthy list of other breeders in queue that have well established quality that could be invited first that haven't shown problematic genetics so early in the game,....
 
:shrug: why? There's a lengthy list of other breeders in queue that have well established quality that could be invited first that haven't shown problematic genetics so early in the game,....

Their ease of payment and shipping does offer a distinct advantage for folks in the US. I think this is why so many US based growers have their seeds. It was by far the easiest and quickest transaction, and I have ordered from a few breeders afterwards. If they approach this the right way, take the feedback, and improve the stability of their genetics, they can be an important resource, up until international payment options and shipping catches up.
 
...be that as it may, my belief is that just because we can, doesn't mean we should, (even though the reach-out has already happened!)... We have been burned before, trust me- :nono:... AFN should be interested in quality, not quantity of breeders/banks,... Generally, we usually have some sort of "pre-vetting" to help weed out the riff-raff,... Spotting problems like this and collecting feedback is a big part of this. I for one am not endorsing the subjecting of testers to iffy anything just to see if said company can improve themselves while stepping over the FUBAR grows and results of the testers,... If folks want to roll the dice on their dime and time, that's their prerogative,... if a given company shows well over some time, then it's time to talk about official testing, but not before and using our members as "guinea pigs".... few can afford screwed up grows!
Stateside shipping is indeed a big plus, but what banks there are seem rather limited in selections, no competition for the overseas banks.... regardless, state-to-state seed shipping is still just as illegal as international....Only advantage is skipping by customs.... To date, I've had no problems getting seeds in form Euro banks, just a couple mashed ones that were readily replaced with extras... always with stealth shipping though! :smoking:
 
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I agree with you, Waira! I don't think they should get any "status" or testing privileges at all. I simply think they should sign on as a member and respond to these threads. I know I wish I came across a thread like this, or better yet, one like this with someone from growers choice participating. Probably would have went another direction. Unfortunately, I found nothing on AFN and very little elsewhere. What I did find didn't deter me from ordering.

I just think having information is a good thing, but yeah, no special preferred breeder privileges. They have to earn that.


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:shrug: why? There's a lengthy list of other breeders in queue that have well established quality that could be invited first that haven't shown problematic genetics so early in the game,....

I guess I'd have to ask why not? We don't know much about them and part of that process is getting to know the breeders and company. Why WOULDN'T we want to be the ones to give them solid feedback on their genetics, especially if there's a string or run of questionable seeds? I don't find credibility in the randomness of the internet; I do find credibility here though, and that's why we try to do what we do, to help companies sink or swim. Remember Med Man Genetics? All the hermie genetics? He came in qualified. Pretty popular name, but then all the testers he sent out hermied for almost everyone! Rather than him taking responsibility, he publicly blamed the growers, saying everyone was shit. Where is Med Man Genetics now? Not on AFN lol. And everyone that took part in that probably wouldn't be super keen on going after his stuff again, right? Testing out new products or genetics is never a guarantee; no one wants a failed run I get that, but there is some acceptance of inherent risk that it might not turn out great.

I told them in my message that growers were reporting problems with certain genetics; if they would want to come on to address that and have some official testing done on AFN, sounds like a chance for them to make good and for us to get some feedback from people we know and trust as a community. If they choose to handle it shitty, well then it'll be publicly documented here. If they turn out to be rock stars, it'll be publicly documented here!
 
I guess I'd have to ask why not?
....why not? this is why....-->
Spotting problems like this and collecting feedback is a big part of this. I for one am not endorsing the subjecting of testers to iffy anything just to see if said company can improve themselves while stepping over the FUBAR grows and results of the testers,... If folks want to roll the dice on their dime and time, that's their prerogative,... if a given company shows well over some time, then it's time to talk about official testing, but not before and using our members as "guinea pigs".... few can afford screwed up grows!
..hey if testers still want to risk it, that's on them, but they better forewarned, and again, I ask why when we have some difficulties already getting enough qualified testers here. From what I've seen here, (not random internet finds, haven't bothered) it's much like MedShe-man only not with hermies,.... disproportionate number of problems from a relatively few growers so far,...(Unfortunately, I didn't keep actual track of those I found here, other than who came into Sick Bay with non-auto plants) .... As for that clown, IDK who waved the thumbs up on him, but they were plain wrong , jumped the gun likely from dumb luck with the plants grown or simply not enough, or both..... Interestingly, when they didn't hermie, they were generally damn good according to those testers... But there's the rub, one or two positive opinions/result from limited grows isn't exactly what I'd call vetted, but that's just me,... If I had the negative feedback showing in Sick Bay and around the site with MedShe-man before he was invited to test, it never would have gotten to that stage... And I'll throw Scambeza on that dumpster fire too now that this has been brought up, I saw bad reports on them clear back to '12,..... I saw lessons learned on both of these,....
... I see the point you're trying to make, but I don't agree with it at all because of past experiences here,.... there are better breeders to engage than this one, sorry....
 
I have mixed emotions.
I grew their Critical Purple, which they claimed to be 27%, but I knew up front it probably wasn't.
It took over 14 weeks from sprout, but was excellent medicine in the 15 - 19% thc range.
Several friends also liked it a lot.
They said the FLOWERING TIME would be 70 - 80 days, but that's misleading for autos.
The average customer rating on the GC website was 4.6 / 5 for this strain, and that's about what I'd give it.
From what I've seen so far, they have the potential to become a good US source, but they do mislead about thc and time to harvest.
But if dinafem joins mephisto as a good US source, this company's sales could come under pressure.
 
I also grew their Critical Purple on my last run (first auto) and was really happy with it. Did have a funky leaf spot, maybe was underfed, but overall a good grow, and result - albeit in the quoted 14wks flowering....

All my current auto seeds are from them, and a number of photos too, so I'll try to keep good logs for those interested. There's also a bunch of logs etc at grow diaries com . I'm not suggesting they get any preferential treatment over others in the queue by any stretch - just figured I'd add my $0.02...
 
....why not? this is why....-->

..hey if testers still want to risk it, that's on them, but they better forewarned, and again, I ask why when we have some difficulties already getting enough qualified testers here. From what I've seen here, (not random internet finds, haven't bothered) it's much like MedShe-man only not with hermies,.... disproportionate number of problems from a relatively few growers so far,...(Unfortunately, I didn't keep actual track of those I found here, other than who came into Sick Bay with non-auto plants) .... As for that clown, IDK who waved the thumbs up on him, but they were plain wrong , jumped the gun likely from dumb luck with the plants grown or simply not enough, or both..... Interestingly, when they didn't hermie, they were generally damn good according to those testers... But there's the rub, one or two positive opinions/result from limited grows isn't exactly what I'd call vetted, but that's just me,... If I had the negative feedback showing in Sick Bay and around the site with MedShe-man before he was invited to test, it never would have gotten to that stage... And I'll throw Scambeza on that dumpster fire too now that this has been brought up, I saw bad reports on them clear back to '12,..... I saw lessons learned on both of these,....
... I see the point you're trying to make, but I don't agree with it at all because of past experiences here,.... there are better breeders to engage than this one, sorry....

I'll repeat it again, there is simply assumed risk in product testing strains and equipment. If people getting stuff for free feel jaded by the experience, I can empathize for lost time or harvest for sure but I don't listen to the crying when people SIGN up for something that's not a guarantee. Don't tell me you want cake, then
bitch about how it gave you a tummy ache because you're allergic to eggs, ya know? :rofl: Things fail, sometimes strains don't auto. Ideal, no, but constructive? It CAN be. We do this to document out those experiences and give feedback to both the vendors and growers. Great point made right here in this thread:

Unfortunately, I found nothing on AFN and very little elsewhere. What I did find didn't deter me from ordering.

What if we did have those experiences documented on AFN? Would they have all been terrible? Again, this thread is showing a few positive comments as well.

I don't care what happens on other sites, we bring the experience here to AFN so we can have our credibility behind it (3+ years of product testing officially to date, btw.) I have admin here that help me pick up new vendors and I do a good clip myself; we certainly vet everyone even if it doesn't meet your standards :biggrin::d5:

Oh, and to keep twisting your panties, I would LOVE to bring Zambeza on the site so we can help provide better feedback. Regardless of whether vendors are on AFN or not, consumers will buy these seeds, they will buy grow lights, etc, based on just ridiculous criteria. I'd rather people get the first hand experience here (which we try to do at zero cost to the growers.)
 
If that's the case then we should have a place for the bad ones. How is someone to know if we found a seed company to be bad if we just remove them kinda counter productive? I get what both are saying and both have points But I do agree that they are testers and testers may come with pitfalls .We want to expose the good and the bad. Wairas like a protective parent saying no dont touch that ! while son of hobs will let you get burnt to learn a lesson lol Both are good ! They both come from a caring place so its all good. Just got to watch them close and give some heads up before they run test anything.
 
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