Greenleaf Sweet Candy - Snake oil or great stuff?

[Proph]

Again, unfortunately, that is not how it works.. Mega crop has no microbe life in it.. Neither does sweet candy.. Unless you use recharge or great white or a compost tea, or some other "innoculate", the coco will not just grow microorganisms. Now, you could know something I don't.. That's why Im asking, what microorganisms are in your coco? How did you see them or know they were there? What are they feeding on to stay alive?

These images are from the mega crop website.. They list the ingredients of both MC and SC.. Can you point out one bacteria or fungi listed? I dont see a single one in either product, so I'm not sure how they would get into the coco.

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View attachment 1136714 again you're not getting it microorganisms will feed off of any nutrient so when I use this stuff in my cocoa and then I put Mega crop in there that's what feeds it the mega crop any nutrient will feed microorganisms if it's the nutrient that they need which is the same nutrient that plants need I didn't say there was microorganisms in mega crop I'm saying Mega crop would feed microorganisms that you have in your soil or in your Coco and so would the sweet candy
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This was partly my entire point, lol.. The ONLY way your getting micro life into coco, is by adding it.. Which is what biofuse is doing.. Adding micro life.. Coco does not naturally have it... Microbes don't on npk.. They just don't.. So that's just incorrect. It is possible, that if you add the biofuse, then use sweet candy, that the microbes will feed off of the sugars and carbs.. But again.. My point was that coco does not naturally have, or create micro life. It must be added.. And then fed..

Yes.. Everything has microorganisms is you want to use that sort of far fetched example... But we are specifically talking about beneficial microbes for a plant. There are many microbes are bad for the plant.. That's a whole other discussion, lol.

 

[Steviestash]

Microorganisms and bacteria or everywhere and they're just waiting for a chance to explode

That article is about soil.. We are talking about coco.. That article is discussing whether or not bottled nutes kill off microbes.. Something I've never thought, agreed with, or said happens... and is something we are not talking about, lol. Im not here to try to convince anyone of anything or to change anyone's mind.

The original post was asking if sweet candy is useful.. It's ingredients are definitely useful. No question. Is it needed? Not at all.

If you believe that mega crop and sweet candy are adding microbe life to your coco, then it is! Simple as that. There is no way I can make you believe me, lol. It's like saying if you grow in hempy buckets (straight perlite) it will be packed with microbes. Just not the case.. Microbes are not just "everywhere".. If they were, there would be no need for compost teas or inoculates. They definitely are not hanging out in bags of perlite.. Or in a dwc bucket.. Unless they've been added. Again, dont take my word for it.. The science is easy to find online.
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Well if you can't take the time to actually read what I posted then there's not really anything else to discuss we'll just leave it at that cuz I don't know where you get that I said adding Mega crop or sweet candy is the same as I'd in microbes that's just making something up right there

 

[Machamillion]

View attachment 1136714 again you're not getting it microorganisms will feed off of any nutrient so when I use this stuff in my cocoa and then I put Mega crop in there that's what feeds it the mega crop any nutrient will feed microorganisms if it's the nutrient that they need which is the same nutrient that plants need I didn't say there was microorganisms in mega crop I'm saying Mega crop would feed microorganisms that you have in your soil or in your Coco and so would the sweet candy

This was partly my entire point, lol.. The ONLY way your getting micro life into coco, is by adding it.. Which is what biofuse is doing.. Adding micro life.. Coco does not naturally have it... Microbes don't on npk.. They just don't.. So that's just incorrect. It is possible, that if you add the biofuse, then use sweet candy, that the microbes will feed off of the sugars and carbs.. But again.. My point was that coco does not naturally have, or create micro life. It must be added.. And then fed..

Yes.. Everything has microorganisms is you want to use that sort of far fetched example... But we are specifically talking about beneficial microbes for a plant. There are many microbes are bad for the plant.. That's a whole other discussion, lol.
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I get the feeling your

 

[Olderfart]

Well, after all that, for ~$20, I ordered a package. After Prophetico's comments, I did a bit more homework, and the stuff in Sweet Candy is in fact directly absorbable by roots, and may well be a benefit to the ladies, microbes or no microbes (actually the real question is not whether, but how many microbes, of what species, and when - the microscopic buggers are everywhere and can eat almost anything). Given the expense and effort to date, the cost of Sweet Candy for my grow is trivial, and the benefit might be good, so the heck with it.

Happy Growing all, Sweet Candy or not.

 

[Dabber]

Well, after all that, for ~$20, I ordered a package. After Prophetico's comments, I did a bit more homework, and the stuff in Sweet Candy is in fact directly absorbable by roots, and may well be a benefit to the ladies, microbes or no microbes (actually the real question is not whether, but how many microbes, of what species, and when - the microscopic buggers are everywhere and can eat almost anything). Given the expense and effort to date, the cost of Sweet Candy for my grow is trivial, and the benefit might be good, so the heck with it.

Happy Growing all, Sweet Candy or not.

I want grow without it, I've had pretty good results using it pop to chop

 

[Machamillion]

I've been using it for the past 2 grows with zero complaints. helps the frost imo

 

[BII]

I don't get it.. Microbe life just starts on its own in your coco? What are they feeding on to stay alive? What kind of microorganisms are we talking about? If what you're saying is true, then coco would be better than living organic soil.. If you could just water bricks of coco and then in a few days have microbes and a food source, that would be a major discovery/ development.

Microbes of all types, particularly those naturally in soil, their spores, particles carrying them, etc. are everywhere, including in the air and transferred by contact; and colonize every available surface.

Of course there is microbial activity in coco. Plant nutrients are just culture media optimized for plant cells. Why wouldn't even simpler bacteria and fungi also thrive on plant nutes in the soil, as they can do in 'stinky' reservoirs? And plant roots shed dead cells, and there are likely cellulose- and lignin-digesting microbes colonizing the coco fibers. Microbes are trying to digest everything organic in the coco, including the coco. That's why it is prudent to add live beneficial microbes, to promote these natural processes (that help 'feed' the plant).

 

[Steviestash]

Microbes of all types, particularly those naturally in soil, their spores, particles carrying them, etc. are everywhere, including in the air and transferred by contact; and colonize every available surface.

Of course there is microbial activity in coco. Plant nutrients are just culture media optimized for plant cells. Why wouldn't even simpler bacteria and fungi also thrive on plant nutes in the soil, as they can do in 'stinky' reservoirs? And plant roots shed dead cells, and there are likely cellulose- and lignin-digesting microbes colonizing the coco fibers. Microbes are trying to digest everything organic in the coco, including the coco. That's why it is prudent to add live beneficial microbes, to promote these natural processes (that help 'feed' the plant).

Someone that knows what their talking about and what ive been saying sometimes I don't know how people can think that Coco is inorganic it's coconut shells shredded down and that microbes don't exist unless they're added

 

[Proph]

Someone that knows what their talking about and what ive been saying sometimes I don't know how people can think that Coco is inorganic it's coconut shells shredded down and that microbes don't exist unless they're added

If your implying that I don't know what I'm talking about, that would be silly. I never said coco was inorganic.. That's also silly.. Bll just said what we BOTH stated.. Smh.. This is why people on here don't try to help people learn as much as they should be. My point was that coco does not naturally have "BENEFICIAL" microbe life in it. I agreed to your point that yes, EVERYTHING has microorganisms, but that not all are beneficial to the plant. So yes, technically, there could be micro life in coco that is growing a plant.. but it could be BAD micro life. Bll asked "why couldn't microbes survive off of nutes".. He didn't say they do survive off nutes, or provide any proof that they do.. His last sentence is exactly what I've been saying this entire time. "

That's why it is prudent to add live beneficial microbes, to promote these natural processes (that help 'feed' the plant).

My point was that unless you add beneficial microbes, they won't survive or grow on their own. Definitely not enough to positively effect a plant. It takes colonies of millions of fungi and bacteria to do that. But, I'll go back to my corner since I have noooo clue what I'm taking about...

 

[Dabber]

I've been using it for the past 2 grows with zero complaints. helps the frost imo

OH YEAH 1 tsp per 5 gallon