Extraction Green Dragon or other tincture go to recipe

ok I made up a batch as per the water bath recipe. I like the idea of the heat instead of a longer and potentially weaker extraction. Ended up with just under 1 oz. I thought it had cooled off but it not quite. Between a little bit of heat and the ethanol burn I had to guzzle some water.

What is a good way to cut this green dragon fire water so it's easier on the palate? Honey?

Will see how this works in about 90 minutes!
 
Almost 2 hours after the first dose and I feel it for sure but it's subtle which is prob due to the genetics of the 1:1 which is good. I took another half ml and will see how it works for sleeping.

But the alcohol burn is so harsh under the tongue. You are supposed to keep a sublingual med under your tongue for a good minute or so according to my wife, but the EC burn is way to intense I can barely hold it for 2 seconds.
 
Almost 2 hours after the first dose and I feel it for sure but it's subtle which is prob due to the genetics of the 1:1 which is good. I took another half ml and will see how it works for sleeping.

But the alcohol burn is so harsh under the tongue. You are supposed to keep a sublingual med under your tongue for a good minute or so according to my wife, but the EC burn is way to intense I can barely hold it for 2 seconds.

So yeah....first time i tried it did it under the tongue....holy burn!!! Screw that!! Only real tough sons of guns can pull that off!! :D

Yes it tastes nasty. I take mine in a half glass of water, followed by a second full glass as i find tincture really dries me out.

Almost 2 hours after the first dose and I feel it for sure but it's subtle which is prob due to the genetics of the 1:1 which is good. I took another half ml and will see how it works for sleeping.

Yes, a subtle buzz normal for 1:1 strains in a fairly low dosage. I take 3.5ml of DP AWW CBD and it puts me in a good place. 3.5ml of high thc is a VERY different buzz than the 1:1 strain i have tried. Just remember when you grow different strains effect will be different, so each batch you make be sure to take a moderate dose to start and then up it as needed.

I know that if I take a 3.5ml of fruity chronic juice tincture, i get borderline "too high" for normal social activity.
 
Hey y'all, I just started my first green dragon yesterday. I used my Nova decarb machine to decarb all the trim I had from 6 different strains. When it came out of the Nova, it smelled fabulous. Then I put it in jars and covered with Everclear; two jars are now in the freezer, and I shake them twice daily. I will give the tincture a try at 10 days.

The reason I bought the Nova was so that I could use minimal heat and preserve the terpenes as well as cannabinoids. I have also heard from others about evaporating the Everclear by placing the liquid in a shallow pan in front of a dehumidifier or a fan. I would do this is a cool room with open window to release fumes. I will update, and I'm here to learn all I can from you!!!
 
The Definitive Green Dragon (Revised)

Here is the very successful result of a considerable amount of research into the elusive and magical Green Dragon.

This is a simple and efficient 4 Step process.

Requirements:
1/8oz high quality cannabis
2 oz Bacardi Rum – 151 proof


Process Summary:

1. Chop cannabis very fine (coffee grinder works great)

2. Place in a shallow pan (a sheet of aluminum foil works great) and bake at 250F for 20 minutes.

3. Remove from oven and place cannabis in 2 oz of 151 proof rum (use a small wide mouth mason jar)

4. Simmer in a water bath for 20 minutes. Maintain temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture between 168 - 170°F.

5. Strain the mixture and store.


Dosage:
One milliliiter (one full eyedropper) is very nice. Two puts you in space. But you must self-titrate (test it on yourself) as each batch will be slightly different. Effects take up to 1.5 hours to begin (at least in myself) and lasted for 5 hours (1 dropper) to 7-8 hours (2 droppers).

I place one eyedropper (1ml) of Green Dragon in a small glass. I then add a small amount of water (1-2 ml) and drink. Do this on an empty stomach for best results (about 20-30 minutes before eating a main meal is good).


Process details—references and rationalizations:
1. Chop the cannabis
More surface area gives means a faster and more efficient extraction.

2. Bake the cannabis.
This converts THCA to THC via a decarboxylation reaction.

In whole-plant cannabis, THC content is expressed as THCA (tetrahydrocannabolic acid) prior to decarboxylation into THC, which takes place when cannabis is heated in the oven, and smoked or vaporized ingestion. THCA is a mild analgesic and anti-inflammatory but does not have good affinity with our CB1 receptors, so in order to make a THC-rich tincture that has many of the same therapeutic effects as smoked ingestion (including rapid absorption, quick relief and ease of self-titration), we must convert the THCA in the plant matter into THC prior to extracting it through an alcohol soak. (from Vancouver Island Compassion Society http://thevics.com/cannamist.htm)

THC vaporizes at about 380°F. We want to heat the cannabis to convert THCA to THC, but keep the temperature under 380°F. That is why 325°F is used. Between four and five minutes your oven (and house) will start to smell very strong. This is the time to remove the cannabis from the oven.

Notice also that there is considerable misinformation regarding heating the cannabis. It is true that you don't have to heat it to extract both THC and THCA, but the amount of THC in whole plant preparations is relatively small compared to after decarboxylation of the THCA. So if you want to maximize the strength of your tincture you must heat the cannabis prior to extraction.

3. Use the highest proof alcohol available.
Where I live this is Bacardi 151. The more alcohol the more efficient the extraction will be.

4. Simmer the mixture.
This is one of the areas that seems to be most debated. Many guides call for placing the normal cannabis into the alcohol and waiting 2 – 6 weeks. The main concern with heating the alcohol is that it is “explosive” (not exactly true...it is however flammable).

The purpose of the simmering is to heat the alcohol mixture to improve extraction rates and efficiencies. Heating during extraction increases the motion of the molecules (basic physics/chemistry) and drastically decreases extraction times. The boiling point of pure ethanol is 173°F (78°C). We will use the water bath to heat the rum/cannabis mixture to just below the boiling point of ethanol.

Heating the alcohol mixture can be done very safely using a hot water bath. You will need an accurate candy or quick read thermometer. Place about 1 inch of water in a wide, vertical-edged pan (9” diameter x 3” high). Bring the water to a low simmer. The rum/cannabis mixture should be in a small (1 pint) mason jar. Do NOT cover the jar.

Put the thermometer into the mason jar and place into the simmering water bath. Bring the temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture to about 170°F. The alcohol should be just barely boiling.

You should have the oven fan on high. You will notice that any alcohol fumes are mixed with water vapor from the water bath and vented out the fan. This combined with the fact that you are trying not to boil the ethanol makes the process quite safe.

5. Strain and store.
When you are finished with the extraction you will be left with about 1oz of green dragon tincture after you have strained the extract. Notice that one ounce of the alcohol has evaporated. See the tips below for a good way to strain the tincture.

A standard eyedropper will transfer about 1ml (or 1 gram) of liquid. There are 29 milliliters in one ounce. So you should end up with about 30 or so full eyedroppers (30 milliliters) of Green Dragon.

The liquid should be dark brownish-green and smell like cannabis.

6. Dosage. Titration.
Everybody is different. It takes me between 30-90 minutes to feel the effects of Green Dragon (depending on how much food is in my stomach).

I had tried a tincture someone had made using the cold extraction method with the same amount of cannabis and found that 5 ml (5 full eyedroppers) did pretty much nothing.

Using my Green Dragon technique I find that one dropper will bring effects on in 30-90 minutes and last 5 hours with 1.5 hours of lingering aftereffects.

Two droppers gave me a "spiritual dose" (as strong as any brownie I ever had). Effects lasted 7-8 hours with lingering effects for 2 more hours.

This means that 1/8oz of good cannabis yields about 30-34 doses of tincture (1 dropperful is really all I need). :edible:
Awesome! Is this one of the things you want to do a video of? How about some pics of the process? Should rum jar be sitting on something in the bath? Nice job!
 
I am experimenting with taking both an edible infusion (decarb'd flower steeped in coconut oil, leaving the plant material in instead of straining as per a recommendation here on another thread) and the green dragon tincture I made cut with some fruit juice and down the hatch. I find the combination for whatever reason (genetics of weed, extraction and infusion methods, increased dosage slightly overall) zonks me out for a good portion of the night in a better way than I have been able to get before. I'm definitely going to experiment with tinctures more and more.
 
Awesome! Is this one of the things you want to do a video of? How about some pics of the process? Should rum jar be sitting on something in the bath? Nice job!

Yeah this would one of the things I would do a video of, assuming the original chef/author(former member named cres) of this recipe would be cool with it. A tutorial on the process with pics would be easy enough to do.
I put the jar of weed/booze directly in the bottom of the pot. You will know when you are at 168-170 as you will see the mixture start to boil.
 
Yeah this would one of the things I would do a video of, assuming the original chef/author(former member named cres) of this recipe would be cool with it. A tutorial on the process with pics would be easy enough to do.
I put the jar of weed/booze directly in the bottom of the pot. You will know when you are at 168-170 as you will see the mixture start to boil.
I'm all about seeing video's. I'm a better visual learner honestly, but pics would be good too!
 
1) Do a quick wash extract with a relatively small amount of alcohol. Bottle it and put it in a cool dark place

I'm going to try this quick wash tonight. I did the water bath evap method and liked taking the green dragon in a shot glass with a bit of fruit juice and I love the taste of the tincture so I am hoping do a small quick was and keeping that aside and then blending it back in with the water bathed stuff will up the terpines tasting experience.
 
So yeah....first time i tried it did it under the tongue....holy burn!!! Screw that!! Only real tough sons of guns can pull that off!! :D

It was hard at first, but the sublingual method of ingestion is so effective (and doses are smaller) so I got used to it.
......Oh yeah- if you put some between your teeth and gums all round, it comes on a lot faster.

Some people put a little grape seed oil in the dropper bottle and shake it up before dosing. It does seem to soften the feeling, but I like it straight up..

you could try a tiny bit of honey too.
 
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