Mephisto Genetics First run LOS, featuring Ripley's, Fugue, and Creme Stomper

[MrOldBoy]

New grow room configuration. The 4 LOS pots fit the 3x3 perfectly.

Synthetics outside tent and organics inside tent coexisting.

Man of man, I like a plan ..... GREATJOB and meant to say good deal on Urban Worm Bag, be sure to sign up for Steve’s newsletter emails, not too often and great info, he knows his stuff ..... also if you have any Flour Sack Towels - Take one and soak in water, ring out and lay over top of worm compost .... so I will fed worms with some say Karanja, neem, kelp, barley and raw alfalfa and composted manure and mist slightly and then lay damp rag over - mist be cotton and no bla bla bla - search Flour Sack Towels if you don’t know what they are ..... but they are available at Walmart- kinda of skin to a bar tag but thinner ..... also damp brown cardboard works well to and in that case I soak cardboard and lay over and left a few times but soon Worms eat the cardboard ...... varieties of food and things will neem and your castings will be insect fighters themselves .... nature knows how to deal with these issues but man likes instant gratification and calls in Monsanto or close relative ....

We just harvested some of Gold Glue and Strawberry Nugs ..... We did partial harvest and Nugs a little disappointing as I think she only yield 3 oz when cured but Goldie is at 395 grams wet - few pics attached - My GroBro the NUGS are FU__ING HARD as Rocks and the scissor hash after wife trimmed spiced up that J, man we slept good and it was street weed and scissor hash .... we are also learning about kief .... we like that too and coolest thing is wife is into it .... I’ve so much to learn about all this, even the grow, I’m going to bet Sam record, I know a couple goofs and I won’t make next time ....

These buds pics should add some fuel to your already hot fire .... Wife trimmed, I was proud of her - detailed work ..... women are details, if you don’t have the details don’t talk to a woman!

 

[MrOldBoy]

@slowandeasy


I am using neem cake meal, and karanja seed meal, in the substrate and mulchings. These repel bad bugs, feed your worms, and break down into plant food.
I also inoculated all my LOS pots with nematodes, a beneficial bug that eats any fungus gnats larva and pupas in the soil, cutting off life cycle. Had an infestation in my coco, I could see gnats in the LOS pots, but I said go ahead and feed my nematodes you little bastards.

Be careful adding too much Karanja, it is hot, go lightly ..... Also gnats love damp soil, if you see in pot, you can cover soil with plastic and they can’t leave the soil and will die eventually but careful as soil won’t be able to dry unless you use Fans on sides of pots and occasional lift of plastic .... you can flush with neem but wet soil already and plant is sufferering due to lack of air .....

Good luck, you will prevail ..... you have way way too much growing skill ..... PROUD of you for taking the step, plants you were growing are beautiful but once you taste, oh yea and you know it ....

If you keep doing what your doing you’ll keep getting what your getting! I’m too flippin old to have just eyeball Shelf!

 

[slowandeasy]

That sounds killer bro, lots of new space for monster training. That lighting sounds great, and having options with conditions always changing will be huge.

IDK if I'll ace it, had some issues with the seedlings already. Creme Stomper and Fugue seemed to stall out for a week, in fact, the new Ripley's has caught up and is a week younger. I transplanted last Sunday, and now things are starting to get going again.



Thank you for that Mr. OB!!! A treasure trove of info!

My pots get super wet readings down at the bottom, and less than field capacity near the top right now. Of course there isn't much plant to use up that water down low, so I have just been misting the top twice a day for now.

The worm sack is awesome, I love it and so do the worms. They all seem really happy with the little bit I've fed them. I am going to add those amendments into my worm feed bucket, that also gets bokashi to speed up the bacterial breakdown.
I have been feeding the worms a little at a time, the directions said neglect won't kill your worms, but over feeding will kill them.



Sorry to leave you hanging Slow,

This batch has a cornucopia of stuff, made this before I knew what to do.
the base is approximately 30% peat, 30% castings, 10%coco, drainage 30%(pumice, rice hulls, wood bark) and a few horse turds.

Then I put amendments at 1/2 recommended on most items.

Blood meal*
Bone meal*
Bat Guano 7-3-1*
Sea Bird Guano 0-11-0
Crab Shell Meal 4-3-0
Oyster Shell flour
Garden Lime*
Neem Seed Cake meal 4-3-1
Insect Frass 2-2-2
Alfalfa meal
Kelp Meal
Precharged Bio Char
Rock Dust
Mycobloom
Plant Probiotics

Have since acquired Neem Ninja (50% neem cake and 50% Karanja seed meal), and gypsum that will be added to mulchings.
* indicates items that will not be used going forward.

May I give my honest opinion? I don't grow LOS, but by looking at the plants and pots I think you may have 2 things going on. Possibly overwatering? And possibly bugs? As @MrOldBoy pointed out, gnats love overly moist areas. Maybe I am completely wrong, but I am sure it will take a minute to get used to the correct moisture level vs our 1gal pots of Coco!! I know you will rock it out, they will pick up steam soon. Good luck bro, peace slowandeasy

 

[Roasty McToasty]

Off to the races ...... you’ve got a plan ....

Plants look a little overwater, so be careful even with the misting until Plants start praying ..... with the larger pots, mulch and ground cover you’ll find you’ll water less until they fill pot and are 30-35 days old and then they start eating water up ......

Field capacity is 80 millibars but range we want is around 120 millibars - so 100 to 140 and plant is happy ..... With a 1-10 meter going to be a less accurate than one at that goes 0-300 .....

My soil, during instrument testing phase down to 15 millibars ( very wet ) and up to 220 dry ..... in the grow I’ve been as wet as 75 millibars and dry as 175ish which the plant shows no stress but at 75 leaves will droop ......

in your case I would remove some mulch that’s close to plant and light scratch of the soil some to help air, also scratch into mulch, don’t worry about ground cover, and put a fan on outside of pot to help air out bottom ..... if inclined to mist stay back from plant and just do outside perimeter ...... when your meter starts moving towards dry and soil top is dry slowly resume mist and even let nozzle stay in a spot here and there for 10 seconds or so ..... My plants after 20ish day’s got water often but usually a mist of 3-4-5 times a day and every so often a 1/2 cup here and there with OldBoy slightly lifting pots and feeling bottom ..... I got Urned on first grow, Silly rabbit decides no stone on bottom of pot - nope let’s substitute some coco , that will drain and it does but held moisture oh too long .... we’ll at same time I’ve got OF going with worms and mulch and think I’ve got a living soil grow going ...... live and learn ......

Me, like you had similar issue with plants at first with too much water .....

Keep up good work, your rewards will start showing up in couple weeks, patience grasshopper.....

Peace,
OB

Pic 2/11, attached, I won’t post pic on your grow but will attach ..... Sam is 16 days old ..... other growers in Battle had 3 week old plants that looked good and I thought oh boy can we do this ....... Heck ya me can do, me made right choice, F__k that DWC and Hydro your LOS will work ..... BTW I have a killer DWC system just sitting here - anyone wanna buy?

Alright, just found the answer, I was watering too much, that scale of yours had me confused till now. I thought I was looking for a little wetter than field capacity, instead of dryer. Oops... I'll let them dry out a few days. They already seem like they are doing much better in the pots, and now I know I want to be between 3-4 on my meter. 5 is field capacity on mine, 10 is max wet. I do have a high velocity oscillating fan sweeping all the plants, does a real fine job on lowest speed.

Your getting hydro results in LOS pots, I think there's a prophecy about that, you might be the ONE.

Man of man, I like a plan ..... GREATJOB and meant to say good deal on Urban Worm Bag, be sure to sign up for Steve’s newsletter emails, not too often and great info, he knows his stuff ..... also if you have any Flour Sack Towels - Take one and soak in water, ring out and lay over top of worm compost .... so I will fed worms with some say Karanja, neem, kelp, barley and raw alfalfa and composted manure and mist slightly and then lay damp rag over - mist be cotton and no bla bla bla - search Flour Sack Towels if you don’t know what they are ..... but they are available at Walmart- kinda of skin to a bar tag but thinner ..... also damp brown cardboard works well to and in that case I soak cardboard and lay over and left a few times but soon Worms eat the cardboard ...... varieties of food and things will neem and your castings will be insect fighters themselves .... nature knows how to deal with these issues but man likes instant gratification and calls in Monsanto or close relative ....

We just harvested some of Gold Glue and Strawberry Nugs ..... We did partial harvest and Nugs a little disappointing as I think she only yield 3 oz when cured but Goldie is at 395 grams wet - few pics attached - My GroBro the NUGS are FU__ING HARD as Rocks and the scissor hash after wife trimmed spiced up that J, man we slept good and it was street weed and scissor hash .... we are also learning about kief .... we like that too and coolest thing is wife is into it .... I’ve so much to learn about all this, even the grow, I’m going to bet Sam record, I know a couple goofs and I won’t make next time ....

These buds pics should add some fuel to your already hot fire .... Wife trimmed, I was proud of her - detailed work ..... women are details, if you don’t have the details don’t talk to a woman!

I just have a wet brown paper grocery bag covering the worm bed, and the initial bedding has cardboard in it. I'll grab one of those flour sack bags if I can find one. The grocery bag don't last too long. I also amended all those goodies into the worm food bucket, along with some bokashi to get things cooking. I suppose I have been keeping them too moist as well, going to let the bin dry out a tad.
A cool wife is indeed a blessing, I too enjoy one of those.
Congrats on the harvest, looks tasty.

Be careful adding too much Karanja, it is hot, go lightly ..... Also gnats love damp soil, if you see in pot, you can cover soil with plastic and they can’t leave the soil and will die eventually but careful as soil won’t be able to dry unless you use Fans on sides of pots and occasional lift of plastic .... you can flush with neem but wet soil already and plant is sufferering due to lack of air .....

Good luck, you will prevail ..... you have way way too much growing skill ..... PROUD of you for taking the step, plants you were growing are beautiful but once you taste, oh yea and you know it ....

If you keep doing what your doing you’ll keep getting what your getting! I’m too flippin old to have just eyeball Shelf!

Ok easy on the Karanja, let em dry out.

Thank you for the encouragement.

May I give my honest opinion? I don't grow LOS, but by looking at the plants and pots I think you may have 2 things going on. Possibly overwatering? And possibly bugs? As @MrOldBoy pointed out, gnats love overly moist areas. Maybe I am completely wrong, but I am sure it will take a minute to get used to the correct moisture level vs our 1gal pots of Coco!! I know you will rock it out, they will pick up steam soon. Good luck bro, peace slowandeasy

Think your spot on as usual slow! I'll get the hang of it. Thank you.

 

[MrOldBoy]

Cool Beans

 

[Roasty McToasty]

Thing looking much better in here. Backed off the watering, it's working.

Fugue

Creme Stomper

Ripley's

 

[MrOldBoy]

Thing looking much better in here. Backed off the watering, it's working.

Fugue

Creme Stomper

Ripley's

Starting to dial in, looking much better - soon they will be praying - perhaps move up light a tad more and remember they are growing .....

On the watering, now you should be good with just a couple light mists of the mulch daily, maybe 3 mists, feel mulch and stick finger into top 1/4” soil, if damp no spray ..... try to keep mulch just right ..... (careful not to mist plants, keep sprayer low) and you should be good for 2-3 weeks as soil was at field and a tad wetter, after which, you’ll start to add 1/4 cup on outside of pot in 3-5 locations depending - this dry / wet / dry cycle does not work in LOS, all the life down there depends on moisture but not too moist, just right ..... I also lifted pots, slightly sideways, and feeling bottom at edges so I could get an idea where it was the right moisture level ...... after awhile I had it down with only one incident of slight under water and never did have overwater after first two weeks ....

Keep it growing, bro, looking good!

 

[Roasty McToasty]

Starting to dial in, looking much better - soon they will be praying - perhaps move up light a tad more and remember they are growing .....

On the watering, now you should be good with just a couple light mists of the mulch daily, maybe 3 mists, feel mulch and stick finger into top 1/4” soil, if damp no spray ..... try to keep mulch just right ..... (careful not to mist plants, keep sprayer low) and you should be good for 2-3 weeks as soil was at field and a tad wetter, after which, you’ll start to add 1/4 cup on outside of pot in 3-5 locations depending - this dry / wet / dry cycle does not work in LOS, all the life down there depends on moisture but not too moist, just right ..... I also lifted pots, slightly sideways, and feeling bottom at edges so I could get an idea where it was the right moisture level ...... after awhile I had it down with only one incident of slight under water and never did have overwater after first two weeks ....

Keep it growing, bro, looking good!

Good info!!!

Just need to find the sweet spot on water, I have not watered for 2 days now, I'll check the moisture near the surface and see where they stand. If any, just a light misting to soak hopefully the surface only.

 

[MrOldBoy]

Good info!!!

Just need to find the sweet spot on water, I have not watered for 2 days now, I'll check the moisture near the surface and see where they stand. If any, just a light misting to soak hopefully the surface only.

You will get dialed in ..... and NO on SOAK just keep mulch and top damp, no soakie - ok dokie Smokie!

Trust me, 10-20 days before watering, you’ll see - so long as soil doesn’t dry upwards, which the mulch will prevent .....

When I first saw mulch and ground cover in a grow, I thought really and kinda blew it off and I’m an organic mulch garden guy, I sold my Troy built tiller to go no till years ago, for the garden and had no clue but me learned that it applies more indoors than out even.

Keep up good work!

Also remember as @Organic Sinse mentioned, cover crop plants are indicators, watch them!

 

[Roasty McToasty]

You will get dialed in ..... and NO on SOAK just keep mulch and top damp, no soakie - ok dokie Smokie!

Trust me, 10-20 days before watering, you’ll see - so long as soil doesn’t dry upwards, which the mulch will prevent .....

When I first saw mulch and ground cover in a grow, I thought really and kinda blew it off and I’m an organic mulch garden guy, I sold my Troy built tiller to go no till years ago, for the garden and had no clue but me learned that it applies more indoors than out even.

Keep up good work!

Also remember as @Organic Sinse mentioned, cover crop plants are indicators, watch them!

Thanks again Mr.OB!!!

The cover crop is giving mixed signals, the grasses have burnt tips, and the more broadleaf are yellowing a bit.

When should I plan on another mulching?