New Grower First Grow - Mephisto - Jammy Dodgers #2 (4)

[Son of Hobbes]

Transplant shock is bro-science. You create a hole in your final pot around a similar sized solo cup, pop the seedling out of its cup and into the prepared hole. Water sparingly around the root ball.

As far as wet/dry in a final pot. A full watering is not necessary and in fact is not a good thing. Back to the three or four day cycle of wet/dry.

Water remaining in the bottom from a full watering won't be available to the plant right away, that is why I start off slow and gradually increase the amount of water as the plant grows. The goal is to grow roots at first, not leaves.

Cheers

Transplant shock is not bro-science.

It's generally a number of different stressors combined that result from disturbing root mass from one location to another.

You can take steps to help minimize shock, but it can absolutely effect your plants.

To expand a bit on the apparent stall or transplant "shock".

What is really happening is the plant has discovered it's new home and is growing roots into it.

This is when/why you want to Lightly water around the outside of the pot to encourage a healthy root ball.

And this takes a wet/dry cycle....

It could take up to a week before you see any substantial vegetative growth.

As long as the leaves stay green and at least level there is no need to be concerned !

Cheers

No, the plant roots have been disturbed and you're moving it into an environment that while similar (likely same medium,) it's still different than what it's been growing in (when you consider the substrate, temperature, nutrient content, pH, etc.)

IE: Transplant Shock

Wanting to be helpful is one thing, wanting to just "be right" is another thing.

Not....

Out of the ten, two might amount to something.

Having said that, I would give them another week to see. If they haven't improved by then you can expect yields of an oz or less.



Yes, but we are talking about the first week after transplant...

After that, we should see much more vigorous vegetative growth !

IF you don't drown them...

Cheers

Why are you telling him to ditch his plants? You're all over the map with your advice, telling him to switch his grow medium, then telling him it's probably NOT the mix, but overwatering, etc etc.

I say this as respectfully as I can, but please get a grasp on how cultivation works and the theory behind before making suggestions to fellow growers on how to grow their plants. I know you're trying to be helpful, but your advice is VERY misleading and a bit over all over the map, and honestly this kind of advice is often more damaging than not when growers are trying to figure out who is worth listening to.

 

[420Forever]

ppp

 

[chuckeye]

Transplant shock is not bro-science.

It's generally a number of different stressors combined that result from disturbing root mass from one location to another.

You can take steps to help minimize shock, but it can absolutely effect your plants.

No, the plant roots have been disturbed and you're moving it into an environment that while similar (likely same medium,) it's still different than what it's been growing in (when you consider the substrate, temperature, nutrient content, pH, etc.)

IE: Transplant Shock

Perhaps my wording was a bit strong but I've never experienced it.

Wanting to be helpful is one thing, wanting to just "be right" is another thing.

I do try to speak only from what I have experienced. There is definitely more than one way to reach the finish line.

Why are you telling him to ditch his plants? You're all over the map with your advice, telling him to switch his grow medium, then telling him it's probably NOT the mix, but overwatering, etc etc.

That was based on watching the progression of the grow and trying to figure out which element was at fault.

Starting with one medium and one food source makes it a lot easier to diagnose a problem.

An auto stunted at the beginning isn't going to amount to much.

I say this as respectfully as I can, but please get a grasp on how cultivation works and the theory behind before making suggestions to fellow growers on how to grow their plants. I know you're trying to be helpful, but your advice is VERY misleading and a bit over all over the map, and honestly this kind of advice is often more damaging than not when growers are trying to figure out who is worth listening to.

Thank you for your thoughtful response !

"Worth listening to" isn't even a consideration for me.

It pains me to see beginners with all the equipment necessary to be successful and missing one or two crucial elements.

If nothing else my posts have sparked a respectful discussion and it is a good thing to question whatever opinions are offered !

Cheers

 

[RedWolfDiesel]

Rose & Flower Mix 4-8-4 ? WTF ?



I wouldn't bother with sweet candy but that's just me



Really ? Why ?

Cheers

Yep rose and flower mix hehe, I want to try out DTE and foxfarm stuff in the tent. the other tent I'll be giving megacrop a shot. The microbes are gonna help! and Yucca is amazing give it a shot dude. Matter fact all of us should be eating Yucca for breakfast with some eggs/ sausage and pickled onions. It's really delicious

 

[RedWolfDiesel]

My understanding is that using Fish Shit + Recharge is kind of overkill since they do the same thing. I saw someone recommended alternating weeks between the two. Fish Shit one week, Recharge the next. Etc...

Yeah tbh when I was mixing everything together part of me had that feeling of, I might be overkilling them with the microbes, I'll stick to alternating them weekly, thanks for the suggestion bro

 

[RedWolfDiesel]

Transplant shock is not bro-science.

It's generally a number of different stressors combined that result from disturbing root mass from one location to another.

You can take steps to help minimize shock, but it can absolutely effect your plants.



No, the plant roots have been disturbed and you're moving it into an environment that while similar (likely same medium,) it's still different than what it's been growing in (when you consider the substrate, temperature, nutrient content, pH, etc.)

IE: Transplant Shock

Wanting to be helpful is one thing, wanting to just "be right" is another thing.



Why are you telling him to ditch his plants? You're all over the map with your advice, telling him to switch his grow medium, then telling him it's probably NOT the mix, but overwatering, etc etc.

I say this as respectfully as I can, but please get a grasp on how cultivation works and the theory behind before making suggestions to fellow growers on how to grow their plants. I know you're trying to be helpful, but your advice is VERY misleading and a bit over all over the map, and honestly this kind of advice is often more damaging than not when growers are trying to figure out who is worth listening to.

I'm siding with SOH on this one @chuckeye
He's right transplant shock is very REAL. As a matter of fact it's such a real thing that when transplanting trees they have to dedicated weeks/ even months to ensure that the root system is contained in a proper vessel etc. before moving them. I've seen documentaries on how Japanese farmers transplant and it's actually incredible how much meticulous detail and planning transplanting requires.

When it comes to ditching my plants, I'll agree that two or three of them look pretty bad but I don't agree with the premise of chucking a plant just because it won't produce a large yield, I'm using these to learn. Remember I'm still doing the tutorial. I haven't even started the main quest yet or any side missions. Happyfrog is a good medium to grow in, I've seen many journals using it with great results. I do see your point on not being able to control the nutrients off rip but that's ok! I have to eventually learn timing and rhythm when it comes to feeding a soil with nutrients in it and happyfrog can teach you that. As for telling me it's the soil mix or it's over watering or this or that, I understand that you're trying to figure out what's wrong and that you don't want to see me fail. but the truth is I have to fail bro, even if I have the right equipment. I understand you but I have to stick to something and ride it out for better or for worse. Trial by fire works really well for me.

Everyone keep blazing and I hope you're all enjoying my journey.

 

[Danielsaaan]

I'm siding with SOH on this one @chuckeye
He's right transplant shock is very REAL. As a matter of fact it's such a real thing that when transplanting trees they have to dedicated weeks/ even months to ensure that the root system is contained in a proper vessel etc. before moving them. I've seen documentaries on how Japanese farmers transplant and it's actually incredible how much meticulous detail and planning transplanting requires.

When it comes to ditching my plants, I'll agree that two or three of them look pretty bad but I don't agree with the premise of chucking a plant just because it won't produce a large yield, I'm using these to learn. Remember I'm still doing the tutorial. I haven't even started the main quest yet or any side missions. Happyfrog is a good medium to grow in, I've seen many journals using it with great results. I do see your point on not being able to control the nutrients off rip but that's ok! I have to eventually learn timing and rhythm when it comes to feeding a soil with nutrients in it and happyfrog can teach you that. As for telling me it's the soil mix or it's over watering or this or that, I understand that you're trying to figure out what's wrong and that you don't want to see me fail. but the truth is I have to fail bro, even if I have the right equipment. I understand you but I have to stick to something and ride it out for better or for worse. Trial by fire works really well for me.

Everyone keep blazing and I hope you're all enjoying my journey.

Well put, sir.

 

[RedWolfDiesel]

Well put, sir.

Thank you brother, my main goal is to eventually grow some amazing Sour Diesel plants. I smoked some from nyc during the mid to late 2000s and it's left such an incredible impression on me that I have to find that again. Its my burning passion and desire to do this. Hence the Diesel in my name.

 

[Mañ'O'Green]

I think the majority of your plants look fine, so I doubt you have a problem in your method. The two you culled may have had a genetic problem. I always grow my mutants out.

Chances are it isn't the mix but your watering that is the issue. Wet/dry is hard to judge in a final pot without some experience. Hence the suggestion of a solo cup. Very easy to pick up and judge how "wet" it is.

Once transplanted start with say 1L around the outside of the root ball. Slowly increase as it drinks it. It can take as long as a month to work up to 3L and then a full watering.

I don't like to see my plants stay "wet" for longer than three or four days. Adjust amounts as necessary.

The only issue I have with Happy Frog is determining when and how much additional food to give. That requires some experience in "reading" the plant. As I've said before, with ProMix HP you control the food Totally...

Whether you have a successful grow or not you Are Gaining Some Valuable Experience !

Cheers

I want to take a minute to explain from a soil science reason why this is not a healthy organic soil hydration approach. Plants cannot absorb the minerals directly from the soil. They depend on the microbes in the soil to convert the IONs to a usable form. Microbes must remain hydrated to stay alive, reproduce and process the elements. Letting soil get dry will kill or force your microbes into dormancy.

Soil/coco can become hydrophobic if it gets dry. This can cause dry pockets in your pot. Roots and Microbes will die there. If this has happened to you use a surfactant to help rewet the soil/coco. I use Yucca powder.

Water the entire pot any time you water. When half of the water weight is gone it is time to water.

Transplanting Autos????? I transplant my rock wool starter cubes into 6" cubes ASAP. You cannot direct sow into the 6" cubes because they hold nearly a gallon of water and the seeds drown before the cube dries down.

That said, a cannabis tap root can grow 9 inches in three days. The laterals are not too far behind. Interfering with that tap root progress in any form you will run the risk of stunting. All of this root growth is critical to Autos. They are on the clock and if the root system is not in place when the plant starts to flower that is as big as it will get. With a Photoperiod plant you can hold it in veg until you fill a 100 gallon bag with roots if you want.

Happy Frog is an Organic soil mix and does not need to be fed for the first couple of weeks. I have seen good success with this feed schdule used at about 60% strength. Don't flush soil, that is just for the coco.

 

[RedWolfDiesel]

I think the majority of your plants look fine, so I doubt you have a problem in your method. The two you culled may have had a genetic problem. I always grow my mutants out.



I want to take a minute to explain from a soil science reason why this is not a healthy organic soil hydration approach. Plants cannot absorb the minerals directly from the soil. They depend on the microbes in the soil to convert the IONs to a usable form. Microbes must remain hydrated to stay alive, reproduce and process the elements. Letting soil get dry will kill or force your microbes into dormancy.

Soil/coco can become hydrophobic if it gets dry. This can cause dry pockets in your pot. Roots and Microbes will die there. If this has happened to you use a surfactant to help rewet the soil/coco. I use Yucca powder.

Water the entire pot any time you water. When half of the water weight is gone it is time to water.

Transplanting Autos????? I transplant my rock wool starter cubes into 6" cubes ASAP. You cannot direct sow into the 6" cubes because they hold nearly a gallon of water and the seeds drown before the cube dries down.

That said, a cannabis tap root can grow 9 inches in three days. The laterals are not too far behind. Interfering with that tap root progress in any form you will run the risk of stunting. All of this root growth is critical to Autos. They are on the clock and if the root system is not in place when the plant starts to flower that is as big as it will get. With a Photoperiod plant you can hold it in veg until you fill a 100 gallon bag with roots if you want.

Happy Frog is an Organic soil mix and does not need to be fed for the first couple of weeks. I have seen good success with this feed schdule used at about 60% strength. Don't flush soil, that is just for the coco.

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I see, so the bacteria and fungus in the soil use the sugars released by the root system and in exchange they break down the elements exchanging the ions with the roots. Interesting so how were plants growing before fungus existed? How were they able to take in nutrients? And when they died did they just collapse and stack on each other? I didn't realize how detrimental a dry soil was for bacterial life.

I did notice that some of the pots had hydrophobic patches on top, and I instantly realized that this is what the yucca powder helps solve. All of that foam produced has to penetrate through the peat no matter what. Thanks for the half water weight advice, I was actually wondering if I should just let it get close to dry but now I'll do it halfway.