Indoor FFOF & Happy Frog Seedling Comparison Grow

[Rebel]

Hey JD. As you know I always appreciate your . I absolutely get what you're saying. I think I was just trying to be preventative because I didn't want to waste the seeds I have. I know I can always buy more Assassin however the other strain isn't available like that. I think my best bet is to mist the top to get it wet and then water. This is also something I came across when using the OF for seedlings. The other soil I was using was almost like clay in texture. It didn't move at all when I watered. The OF like you know is very light. I know I'll run into the same problem with the LW as you say it's very LIGHT lol and blows away. I think misting the tops to wet before watering will help keep my seedlings in place. Thanks Joe. You turned a light on in my head. I just had to tweak my routine but not totally abandon it. I appreciate you taking the time to help me even when I'm not asking for it!

Hey Asi! Thanks man! Hope things are well where you are! Appreciate you stoppin' by!

I got my jeweler's loupe in today! Probably the sweetest $5 I have spent in a long while! I'll take some pics later of it and maybe some trich shots of my other bud that is curing so you guys can see how good it is lol. It's a 40x and has 2 small LED lights which makes me curious how that will aid in pictures with the Macro mode in our camera. I'll get some pictures up later tonight. Got some company coming so I have to "entertain" lol. Be back with pics in a few hours! Thanks again JD!

 

[Rebel]

How old are these?

Hey GG. Thanks for checking out my thread!

I posted the ages a few posts up.

The Snow Ryder females are between 5 & 6 weeks. I'll have to update the exact dates later. The Assassin will be 3 weeks old on Saturday. The NYLPD is 4 days old I believe. The other Assassins and NYLPDs have only been in the dirt for a day or two after germing in a paper towel.

 

[GnomeGrown]

Here's a pic of the harvest of the 1 female I got out of 4 that was grown in OF. Minus a pinch off the top. The bag that it was grown from was purchased recently.


That is a quarter to show the size reference. The reason I'm taking interest in this grow is because mine looked exactly like yours at that stage. Is your trunk (the part of the main stem closest to the ground) smaller than the rest of the main stem? I kept it going for shits and giggles in the corner of my tent. I tried a few things to correct it, like adjusting nute strength, and even eventually transplanting to coco. Nothing helped it, it was already too far stunted. The only thing I could figure was that their wasn't enough aeration and it turned muddy. At 5 weeks, they should be a lot larger than they are now. I'm now convinced that its a issue. I hope you don't take it the wrong way, but giving you a heads up, and wishing you have better luck than I've had.

 

[Rebel]

Thanks for the head's up. First, to answer your question... If you are asking about the Assassin, no it's stem is the same size through out and so were the SR's. Those two Snow Ryders weren't started in the OF. They were transplanted into OF after they started looking like shit between weeks 3 & 4 and once I did they started taking off. They were started in Scott's Organic Earthgro purchased from WalMart. I have been waiting on the LW to come in or to get out to a hydro shop that's almost 2 hrs away to get soil, so I haven't had anything else to compare but the Earthgro and OF at this point. I can say that those SR's didn't take off until I transplanted them in the OF. If you check out a few pages back I had a mutant that was almost 12 inches at 4 weeks exactly but she turned hermi. Now, that seed was messed up from the start. It was small and dark brown. Didn't germ after almost 4 days in the paper towel. I just put it in the OF to see what would happen and she exploded. Now, I don't have enough evidence to prove it was the OF that turned her hermi because up until that point it was the only seed I had trouble with and it was the smallest out of the ten and it was dark brown in color. No stripes.

The Assassin that is exactly 19 days old and the other 2 seedlings were all started in the OF. Personally I think the oldest Assassin looks pretty good. What strain was it that you had the hard time with in the OF? Was it Assassin as well?

The NYLPD seedling is 5 days old. It's almost 2 inches tall and I thought that was pretty good too. This is my second grow as well and I still consider myself a total noob. I'm still getting everything dialed in so that could also be a reason why they may not be as big as they should. The other NYLPD's are 2 days, 1 day, & 1 more in the dirt tonight.


I'm not taking offense to anything because this is an experiment. I want all the outside input and previous experience I can get and I appreciate your input. Does anyone else think they are too small for their age? I don't want you guys to sugar coat things or be too nice and not let me know. I won't take offense. I'm sure you guys would anyway but I'm just putting it out there to anyone who thinks something is wrong. Don't be afraid to tell me.

With that said --- Here's some updated pics!

Here's SR 1 & 2...


Here's Assassin 1


NYLPD 1


Group Photo. Added the 4th NYLPD after this was taken so we've got 9 total now. 2 SR -- 3 Assassin -- 4 NYLPD.

 

[GnomeGrown]

Cool man. Seems like you've got a handle on things. Hers hoping you get the frostiest buds you've ever seen.

 

[Rebel]

Hey thanks GG! It's still a work in progress! I'll be interested to see results and get it all dialed in. We've just bought some Humboldt Nutrients Myco Madness to add to our HN cocktail/organic program. It's loaded with Mycorrhizal fungi, Beneficial Bacteria, 2 types of trichoderma. Here's some details if you all are interested...

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Bacillus coagulans,…….…………………………372 million cfu/lb
Bacillus pumilis…………..…….………………….372 million cfu/lb
Bacillus thuringiensis…………..………………….372 million cfu/lb
Bacillus stearothermiphillis…….………………….372 million cfu/lb
Paenibacillus polymyxa….…………..…………….372 million cfu/lb
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Trichoderma konigii………..……….150 million propagules per lb
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We also have two new NYLPD's break the soil today! I'll get some pics up probably tomorrow. Hope you all are having a good one!

 

[Joe Dirt]

That's some good stuff, right there WVR. :thumbs:

 

[GnomeGrown]

Sorry for the short reply earlier. I was at work tapping on my ipod. I'm a noob, too! OF is usually great stuff. I've pulled some sweet bud with it. But the last couple bags were a bit different. It looked more like some dirt out of my backyard with bark mixed with it. Usually, with OF, all you have to do is mix a bit of perlite, and some LW if you wanted, and do a good wet/dry cycle to get some bangin' plants. It seems like you do all that, and I know I do all that, so all I can do is blame the dirt.

That Humbolt cocktail might help. Maybe the soil has the amendments, but not much to break the stuff down for the plant? I wish I could've taken the time to figure it out, cause I bought 3 bags of the stuff. But my personal stash started running out, lol. I'm rootin' for ya, bro. Maybe you'll figure it out for the both of us!

 

[Rebel]

Thanks JD!

Hey GG! That's exactly why I'm doing this my friend! So it benefits the entire AFN community. I'm willing to take the hits and dodge the bullets if it does something positive for us all in the end. In my experience they only way to truly learn is to do it and learn from your mistakes. You're never going to be perfect... You just have to keep at it until you dial in what works for you. This is what my theory is at this point about Fox Farm's soil mixes. Ocean Forest, Light Warrior, & Happy Frog respectively...

Autos are not the same as photos, obviously we all know that! However, I have found in my research that NO ONE -- Not ONE company that I've come across (any please correct me if I'm wrong) has any feeding schedule, product, etc... That is SPECIFICALLY geared for autos. So, you have to figure that out NUMBER ONE! To me that is the single most important thing for a newbie in AUTOS to know! Whatever soil, whatever nute program or mixture, teas, etc... you MUST keep in mind you have to tweak things to work with the auto schedule/lifespan. Since it goes my the age of the plant and not the light schedule.

Also I have experience now with the OF. Only experience I have with HF & LW is not personal but comes from very reputable sources. So, I'm thinking the HF is a perfect midway point between LW & OF for seedlings. I will continue my experiments with these soils and keep this going. Thanks for following and being interested in the results! I'm hoping to make some positive contribution to the AFN community.

As FD says "Speed & Safety" to you all!

 

[Griever]

looking good bro
nice stuff