Live Stoner Chat F1 or IBL what do you prefer?

[yodabuds]

If I actually remember I read once somewhere that you actually wanted many different phenos in your f1's.... I don't know, for breeding though Id go with a landrace and a new hybrid strain, or a ibl and landrace would be nice, otherwise I would much prefer stable genetics at s4 or f4.... So for final product I would want the s5 and f5 for I get what I'm buying....
My Rusian dragon x super skunk cross is wicked stable in both f1's and f2's so far... All exact Pheno... Getting to the point where I KNOW the plant and could pick it out amongst several others.... With super skunk being known for being a true breeder and Russian dragon with its deep chunk hertiage I think made for a great cross... I can not wait to see what you do Evol! Fantastic work so far!!!!

 

[lamsbread]

I'm no breeder and I am not up on my F's or how many F's & BX's it takes to create an S, but I still think the poll is valid.

It is the descriptions after the F's & S's that is important to me and the other people who have submitted thier votes. Why because it is asking people what they would prefer to grow ie. lots of variation of or a very stable strain, regardless of how many generations it takes to get there.

Evol asked us what we want because we are potential future customers and it is the traits of the cross that prove to be important to us the customer.

What the customer desires is important to the breeder because without any sales, a company would collaspe.

It is up to the breeder to supply our desires, the customer really doesn't care how many crosses it take, but wether the product matches our expectaions. If expectations are met , sales are produced and the future of the company is secured.

Conversly the points you make are important and pertinent from a breeders perspective, so as to deliver the correct information & understanding to other breeders and readers who are expirienced with the subject.

Anyone who enters the world of breeding gets my admiration, no doubt there will be mistakes made and lessons learned, but in time with the right attitude determination and persiverance success can be achieved.

I wish Evol all the best and wish him every sucess and if he has made a mistake with his F's I'm sure he will rectify it and will have learned something new.

A day where I haven't learned something new is a wasted day.

Peace

Growerz

 

[lamsbread]

If I actually remember I read once somewhere that you actually wanted many different phenos in your f1's.... I don't know, for breeding though Id go with a landrace and a new hybrid strain, or a ibl and landrace would be nice, otherwise I would much prefer stable genetics at s4 or f4.... So for final product I would want the s5 and f5 for I get what I'm buying....
My Rusian dragon x super skunk cross is wicked stable in both f1's and f2's so far... All exact Pheno... Getting to the point where I KNOW the plant and could pick it out amongst several others.... With super skunk being known for being a true breeder and Russian dragon with its deep chunk hertiage I think made for a great cross... I can not wait to see what you do Evol! Fantastic work so far!!!!

Like your words yoda

Peace

Growerz

 

[sallad]

I want to grow them all just to see what I get. The journey from start to candy man. Love what can comes from a tinny bean. That said buying seeds I would hope for good effects and quality growth close to what's advertised. I vote f5.

 

[evol]

Evol, disagree fundamentally with your poll...F1's should be fairly uniform if the parents are sufficiently genetically diverse (think white widow...Brazil x India= very different gene pools). You would end up with 3 main phenos...a mom, a dad, and a hybrid pheno. F2's are the freaking mess as you'll see a lot more variety until you reach a stabilized IBL at F4 or F5...or F13 as is sometimes the case!

Haha I was tryin to keep it simple. I guess I could have phrased it better but my question does not change. What I meant by saying F1s have the most variety was geneticly. Yes most phenos are the same in F1s but you will not get the same results if you cross a Brazil x India it will not be exactly "white widow" or at least the won't be 100% like the original. You would need clones from the exact mother and father to produce an exact original F1 widow. That's why seedbanks can have the same strains but different descriptions for the strains.
The genetic variation and careful selection of an F1s genetic liniage make it diverse in my opinion.

Yoda knows what I mean! Thanks again everyone.

 

[low_and_slow]

I know what you're saying, I made a presumption that might be wrong. I don't patronize seed banks that sell knockoffs of "brand name" strains; just a personal choice. I won't buy bubba kush S1 from Greenhouse because I know it's just a knockoff or a pheno from an S1 someone else made. Totally different story if it's an outcross and original work by a breeder, but someone selling "Blue Dream" seeds is really selling haze x blueberry F1 or Blue Dream S1, which is not guaranteed to be anything like the legendary clone-only variety.

The "widow" I have in my seed stock right now is Mr. Nice Seeds' Black Widow. This is the original P1 lineage crossed together into F1 form by Shantibaba himself. Clones of the Indian and Brazilian parents. I know that even if I get the same pheno in my stock, it's not the same exact plant that may have circulated in the 'Dam when Widow originally blew up, but it's probably as close as it gets today.

My point is, if I pop a pack of 10 seeds that are F1's of a famous cross, as sold by the original breeder who is in my case Shanti, I should have a reasonable expectation that I'm going to find at least 1 plant that's a great representation of its namesake. That's a challenge one might engage in, a "pheno hunt" of sorts. Not my trip at the moment, but if I'm talking about building a reputable seed stock for myself, I think that's the way I'd go. That being said, I currently have all S1's growing right now, so who the hell cares! Everything is different and everyone has different needs from MMJ, different setups that require different programs. Some can't perpetual crop without autos due to space restrictions, some want to focus on quality, some on quantity. I think if you want a repeatable money maker, you want a great clone of an F1 that's coming off a seed mother. If you want to have a never ending assortment of exciting new varieties, then I say S1's are the way to go, and currently what I'm working with. If you want that special, almost "magical" plant you keep around ONLY for yourself and no one else, that's when I'd pursue a really sexy, properly selected IBL to add to my cab. To me that's some of the Thai's that have been worked over by ACE or Cannabiogen; I'd also lump anything Cres or Mossy has going on into that category because autoflowers are almost by necessity purely IBL.

 

[low_and_slow]

^super high, makes no sense, sorry...gah.

 

[evol]

Yeah I think we are on the same page now. I would never just make S5 or anything of another breeders work and claim it as my own. For example the Black Russian I am growing is from delicious seeds and although I am going to distribute clones to my breeders and use the genetics for a still undecided cross(and probably an auto), and will make some S1 seeds for myself incase I ever lose the mother. I will not ever come out with a Black Russian using these genetics. I may however make my own cross of a Black Russian....

 

[low_and_slow]

^right on, that's groovy. Scoped your thread, pretty cool digs in there!