Establishing Credibility Guidelines for Breeders

I will put my 2cents in the biggest problem in my opinion is price and are there large pheno variations unfortunately prices are the only thing I go off of I like mephisto there genetics are quality ect but there price point is high in my opinion. I create crosses as I say and have multiple f3 strains no one knows me really but a hand full of people hear and I sell mine but I do so @ a reasonable price and send extra strains ect I do this simply bc I'm a grower aswell and know not every seed will germ ect I also don't claim to be a breader but as a grower if I see anything funky those seeds get tossed. It's very hard to judge an autoflower seed/company without giving them a run even the best breeders have crosses that didn't work out well the difference is a good person breeder or not will tell you this strain can hermie or wat ever the case may be. The biggest problem I see is mixed results you can grow 2 plants from almost any of the seeds I've seen so far and get wildly different results that's cool if ur looking for breeding stock but if not that sucks. So in a nut shell if a seed supplier/breeder is willing to send seeds out for community journals and of all growing styles aswell as levels of experience then they have confidence in there genetic pool take dinafem they come out with something new even though they are well established they want people to see how good there genetics are under a wide variety of grow styles climates ect. Also I give every breeder a chance I found a small one off type breeder who's genetics so far have been my favorite they are consistent potent and have great terps. Anyway that's my take on it.
Good morning everyone!

We had a pretty good discussion about this in our private gladiator sub-forum with some of the gladiators/product testers on the forum, and I wanted to extend it out here publicly because I think it would be great to get some rounded perspectives on this!

So the backstory on it is that I spend a lot of time looking around at genetic breeders for autoflowers in various places, and Facebook has REALLY BLOWN UP in terms of who is coming out of the woodwork with genetics (especially as legalization grows.) The problem is, every Tom, Dick, & Harry out there can call themselves a breeder, and the discussion was about "how do we establish credibility with a new breeder if no one has heard of them, or if they have genetics that seem to be a bit too far fetched/too good to be true, etc."

It's very easy to go "well, that can't be, screw these guys, they must be lying to make a buck," but sometimes that's actually NOT the case (and I don't want us to make blanket statements about what could be CREDIBLE people (because that doesn't reflect well on us either.)

So what do YOU think establishes credibility? Someone says "I breed autos" and they want to sell you seeds? What makes you go "I'll give this a shot?"

There's a breeder I won't mention (he got SLAMMED on Facebook recently for their strains, I think they had about 15-20 new auto strains come out this last year or so and they are all BIG name sounding, attractive sounding, "power word" named genetics. But the speed at which they are coming out, most people have called him out for just pollen chucking.

There's another breeder I've seen pushed in Missouri groups that's claiming to have pretty much ALL F6 and F7 autoflower seeds, but I've never even heard of the guy before. Probing into it, he runs 15k user group on Facebook that every other comment is praising his name, their genetics, etc (so it's not hard to see what's been done, it's a sham group to sell seeds. In fact, there's a LOT of sham groups on FB doing the same thing.)

Is there a way for us to establish credibility with some of these entities that you can think of, short of inviting them to the forum to have growers test out their stuff?

We've been told "you're too selective," and also "you're not selective enough" with who comes on the site, but sometimes we're just wanting to test the waters of those out there. Whether we give a thumbs up or thumbs down on someone, that seldom stops anyone from doing anything. But if we can create some guidelines to share with both new and experience growers on the site, maybe we can help avoid some of the headache and heartache of getting ripped off, or at least creating realistic expectations on what you might be getting with someone trying to sell you something.

Personally, I think if a breeder can't show you their breeding setup or talk in-depth about the process, it's extremely shady. I don't know anyone that spends signicant time with cannabis that doesn't like to nerd out, geek out, share out, and even brag a little about their successes, right? :rofl:

What do YOU think, AFN?

Maybe we could get some feedback from some of the breeder reps on the forum too, or have them go up the line to the actual breeders themselves if they aren't doing it themselves, etc etc.
 
Going to just lay this down right here

Came across these in another group today....take it that this guy says he is breeding all of these strains....Has never shown a plant in any group whatsoever....No grows have ever been shown...

Go to Instagram- mnybags

This is that guy’s partner and you’ll see all the packages that they have and the same moneybags person has done the same thing as Graybeard by taking credit card information and home addresses and showing up at peoples houses In the Michigan area when they get put on blast. These are the type of people that we are trying to keep our friends and fellow growers and people in our group away from

we have not knock them publicly though others do. It just turns my stomach....And this fool was one of the faces for the auto flower cup.

And I’m calling it just like I’ve called it for the past few years taxes will drop and then they will have their big drop they’ll get paid from that buy a few more strains to carry them off for Black Friday sale wash rinse repeat every year
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I see them on facebook all the time. Apparently a lot of people on facebook love their stuff but I think they just like the cheap shit, because none of their plants look particularly impressive, and they chuck 30 strains or something a year lol. They would have the most uninspired strain names and plaster some horribly photoshopped stickers on it. The thing that made it obvious to me they have crap genetics is whenever someone ask a grower who's growing their genetics for a review/smoke report, you'll hear lukewarm, vaguely positive comments like "grew out with no issues", or "good results", or "germinated well". Never about how sticky or potent it is, never about the frost level or the smell, it's always "good results". I hope people dont try their shit genetics and think autoflowers still suck like they used to.

PS: another "breeder" on Facebook I'm suspicious about is Maggie's Auto Farm, who boasts "home of the one pound autos". Not a single comment from their growers about frost, stickiness, smell, potency... just "home of the one pound autos" Lol as if big autos are a niche, super autos had been around forever, and who would want a pound full of bunk weed. However, they might have legitimately good genetics, but because they're a private group that you needed to be invited to join and buy from, and the fact that they define themselves as "home of the full pound autos" make me stay far away from them.
 
I see them on facebook all the time. Apparently a lot of people on facebook love their stuff but I think they just like the cheap shit, because none of their plants look particularly impressive, and they chuck 30 strains or something a year lol. They would have the most uninspired strain names and plaster some horribly photoshopped stickers on it. The thing that made it obvious to me they have crap genetics is whenever someone ask a grower who's growing their genetics for a review/smoke report, you'll hear lukewarm, vaguely positive comments like "grew out with no issues", or "good results", or "germinated well". Never about how sticky or potent it is, never about the frost level or the smell, it's always "good results". I hope people dont try their shit genetics and think autoflowers still suck like they used to.

PS: another "breeder" on Facebook I'm suspicious about is Maggie's Auto Farm, who boasts "home of the one pound autos". Not a single comment from their growers about frost, stickiness, smell, potency... just "home of the one pound autos" Lol as if big autos are a niche, super autos had been around forever, and who would want a pound full of bunk weed. However, they might have legitimately good genetics, but because they're a private group that you needed to be invited to join and buy from, and the fact that they define themselves as "home of the full pound autos" make me stay far away from them.

Maggie was part of AFN's Facebook until I asked her if she'd want to send out seeds to our growers for some test journals. Then she unfriended me lol! I've heard from a few growers that they kick anyone out of their private FB group if they post problems or issues with their plants (take that with a grain of salt though, you know how salty some people can be sometimes.)

I do know this though, they took Think Different from Dutch Passion and used that as a base for MANY of their plants.
 
Maggie was part of AFN's Facebook until I asked her if she'd want to send out seeds to our growers for some test journals. Then she unfriended me lol! I've heard from a few growers that they kick anyone out of their private FB group if they post problems or issues with their plants (take that with a grain of salt though, you know how salty some people can be sometimes.)

I do know this though, they took Think Different from Dutch Passion and used that as a base for MANY of their plants.

Lmaoooo you have no idea the coincidence. When I first heard their blurb "home of the full pound auto" I immediately think "so like Dutch Passion but not as good." Lmao
 
The more I think about it the transparency is most important and I mean across the board wat I mean by that is stating the genetics involved and not the generic White Widow x big bud which is cool but who's and imho this matters more than ever as if you check out Northern Lights from all who have it the sativa/ indica ratio is vastly different aswell as plenty others I will also say I've grown some of the big names and some were worthy of the price tag but I've grown some that were not very good and not wat I like nor anyone who smoked it now after all the time involved on top of the seed being 15 to 20 bucks. It really makes somebody like not want to buy and learn how to breed which is kinda wat I'm doing lol, mostly just crossing but I've seemed to get a better result with the crosses than the originals. It's all a lottery and if properly done that lottos odds increase the chance of winning or finding something good that's why starting with quality genetics is important and if the breeders confident in there genetics then they will spread them around to show wat there capable of if they arnt willing I would be skeptical for sure.
 
hey dragon seeds hows it going look forward to seeing some of your strains grown here on afn heres a quick question what would you say is your biggest baddest strain and which one of your strains would you say is more suited to the experienced grower not for the novice :toke:
Sorry, not sure how this post was missed though some notifications seem to disappear before I can read them. At any rate Komodo Glue is definitely a big bad strain as far as photoperiods go. If you're looking specifically for autos, the Dragon Fruit Auto has some Big Bud genetics so it will have some tendencies to get big :) More experienced growers might like Hydra Kush. HK can be susceptible to mold so dry conditions are preferable and she also likes calcium and magnesium. Compost teas might also be a good idea to avoid things like powdery mildew.
 
It would be great if people would post dry weights per plant in these Breeder threads. Its really hard to judge plant size without it. ~Thanks
 
It would be great if people would post dry weights per plant in these Breeder threads. Its really hard to judge plant size without it. ~Thanks
some people in non legal areas will be hesitant to do that and others just never weigh there crop but i get what your saying i find it annoying when people dont state the day/ week of growth and show random plants not saying which is which
 
some people in non legal areas will be hesitant to do that and others just never weigh there crop but i get what your saying i find it annoying when people dont state the day/ week of growth and show random plants not saying which is which
It shouldn't matter really. If its not legal and they're posting pics on a forum... adding the weight and time isn't any worse. If they're growing 100 plants we only need the weight of 1 not the whole haul. If they're that concerned don't post OR disclaimer a buddy harvested this plant " picture" and dry it weighed "some Weight" and seed to harvest was "x amount of days".

I see some plants people rave about, I grow the plants and they net 1oz each and i'm like well they look the same and dude said it was a great haul and I got 1oz. Mean while other plants i'm growing with the same feed and environment pull 1lb. If people state the weight it allows others to prepare for the space needed is all i'm saying. Sometimes i forget to post the weight and i apologize. The GMOGK i just posted is drying. When the weight is tallied i'll add it. ~ Peace
 
Ok guys, there is another Facebook breeder to avoid: Master Sensei Genetics. His gear is trash. I had high hope for it because those knobheads fans of his keep saying his shit is fire. I bought Hindu Kush Auto from him. It grew beautifully, oiled, dark leaves, pungent buds, extremely sticky... etc. Went 70 something days. I got almost 3oz from it.

Then I smoked the thing....

And it was the worst weed I had ever smoked. Almost zero potency. If you tell me it has 5% THC I would not doubt you. It tastes like ass as well, has a gross, bitter undertaste even with a 2 week cure. This pisses me off because I smoke medicinally and now I either have to go to the dispensary or deal with smoking this trash that requires 7 bowls to get me to a 3. Dead serious. Please, if you use cannabis for pain avoid this breeder because you'll smoke until your throat and lungs hurt and never get any relief from the pain you're smoking to deal with. Trust me, stay the hell from Master Sensei Genetics. I swear then guy bought pure ruderalis and didn't bother to breed with a photo and just packed it as hindu kush auto and sold it. Either that or no smoke test had been done.
 
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