Dutch Passion DP Ultimates first

[WhiteLight]

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I calibrated all my hygrometers...

The video i posted for calibrating humidity was bang on...

I will be able to know exactly when to add the bovedas in the jars and seal them to the 62% RH....

I worry now because i have bought only 5 x 1L kilner jars. Maybe i will need more?? It wasnt expensive and the shipping was superfast from johnlewis in the UK...I can order another 5 just in case....

I am now facing RH of 70%+ and as a result i throw a dehumidifier of 300w in the tent and in combination with the portable a/c i manage to keep my humidity in the levels of 28C-29C VPD (2C difference on leaves temperature from the tent temperature)
http://opennlabs.com/vpd/VPD_calculator.php

UPDATE info 27/05/2019

Light: Dual Spectrum 600w @ 50cm distance from canopy
Temps 28C Light ON / 24C Light O
Soil temps 21C - 23C
Humidity 50-60%
Feeding is:
EC 1.1 + 0.3 bottle water
PH 6.8
@23C

Currently feeding M/G/B ec=0.6 B52 ec=0.1 BudCandy ec=0.1 PK13/14 ec=0.3 + 0.3 bottle water = 1.4 EC

I made a couple of feedings with the PK 13/14 leaving the run off 300ml in the tray for water tempering

Ultimates have start the yellowing up and it looks like they will all chopped at the same time, leaving me the tent for drying, without the heat of HPS 600w....

Ultimate_1
Day 92 since got in the dirt (90 days since got a head up in the soil)

Ultimate_2
Day 92 since got in the dirt (90 days since got a head up in the soil)

Amnesia xxl
Day 89 since got in the dirt (87 days since got a head up in the soil)

 

[AutoLowRyder]

.Im talking about half of the country here....

take a long time,......................... means it will never happen ............ it happened here due to special cases in the media eye............. but doc's, who are nominated to dicern if it's needed !! wont prescribe it, and those few GP's that are nominated to precsribe, have waiting lists into the thousands !!??...... ??........................ you cant get to see a canna oil nominated GP for months ????

i think the autumn yellowing has started on the 2 Ultimates...A couple of leaves on the top colas have turned yellow....

i'll have a look when you post i a bit white mate'ty

weird event is happening in the tent...The soil temp is at 20C while the canopy level is at 28C-29C...

yes, as "Cold" "SINK" to floor as heavier than hot air etc.............. then the depth of cold air rises.....

is propably due to the fact that the passive intake brings in cool air from the room which is air conditioned...

yes, as "Cold" "SINK" to floor as heavier than hot air etc.............. then the depth of cold air rises.....

suspicion that the fabric pots absorb the cool air and tranfer it on the soil.

true...........

have ordered a small fan 105m3/h....It will arrive Monday i think...

on a 100mm duct will work fine white'ty......

Do you think if i make the trick you showed me on the beginning, to download the hot air on the floor it will give me 1C extra?

have the intake to the fan at the top of the tent so hot air is sucked down to the floor, and blown across the floor............................what i do is have the outfall, output side of the fan conected to a 300mm carbon filter..................so hot air is brought down to floor level, where it mixes with cold,...................but also the small carbon filter takes the pressure of the main filters also......... at the same time puting warm air down to floor level......

You told me 21C-24C is the ideal...The 20C will slow me down???

20c is basement temp white'ty................ 23c is best,..................allway's 2 to 3c below air temp is best.......... if air is 28c................then soil will be, by induction, 25c.................... not a prob white............... it's a tropical plant ok............... especially sativas..............they can take, and love the heat compared to indicas that wilt at 28c !!

Also i was thinking if i run plastic pots instead of fabric pots will the soil maintain a higher temp around 21C-22C in the same conditions as now???

yes as diffusion of therms is slowed down,................ every time you water to run off, oxygen is pressed down through the soil as the water pushes air down and out ahead of the water moving down the water columb white ok....................... iar pots just let more water evaporate faster from the soil before the plant can get to it............... is why i use 15ltr plastic pots......... it slows temp changes, flattens out the thermal curve in the soil............ is a good thing same as in the wild soil.........................temp stable, take a while to change = is normal in wild....

fabric pot tranfer the floor temp to the soil?? I think yes because its breathable right?

yes, thermal transfer, heat diffusion and transfer............................ a pot off the floor where warm air can get underneath is a good thing as oxygen can get in and under the root at bottom of pot = good thing............ oxygenation spots....

Outside temp today hit 39C under shadow! I use this cheap meter i got for the jars to see what it was the temp outside...
What is not looking ok is the humidity xD Can it really be 10%?? xD

wow that jumped up from what 20c a week and a bit ago !!!!.............................39 in shade !..............what is "Outdoor RH" white'ty mate !!!.......70% + ??/....... ALR

 

[AutoLowRyder]

day 92 update responce, 27th may

I worry now because i have bought only 5 x 1L kilner jars. Maybe i will need more??

you should get 3oz in a 1ltr................. the plants look 4 oz each, so 12 divide by 5 = 2.4oz a jar @5/jars......... you just want to lightly pack the pre dried bud in the jars white;ty........... almost just dropping the kit in, and shaking down a bit.................. however if you do get more than 4 oz a plant, you may need another 3-4 jars white mate......

am now facing RH of 70%+ and as a result i throw a dehumidifier of 300w in the tent

at RH'es above 65% you must check the output for aroma and smells bypassing the carbon filter, as at 70% the high RH ie, water in the air, will begin to block the cintetred carbon pores and bypass aroma can begin............ at 80% it's well in......................... all you can do is check the carbon filter output side for smell,........... as it is a new filter and it is properly calibrated for the correct air flow through it.................. you could be ok white ok................... a slow air flow through the filter improves the VOC's = terpens = stink = aroma removed by the filter ok.......

if aroma begins to bypass now..................... when the 42c arrives in a month or so............... RH could hit 80%............. in that case, you may have to slow the flow down through the filter to allow slow air transit = better removal of VOC's white ok................. if at 80% RH in outdoor air, it pushes up the tent RH up from 70%............ to 75-80%............... you have to check every day the filter is not letting stink passed ok...........

Currently feeding M/G/B ec=0.6 B52 ec=0.1 BudCandy ec=0.1 PK13/14 ec=0.3 + 0.3 bottle water = 1.4 EC

that is bang on...........

Day 92 since got in the dirt (90 days since got a head up in the soil)

INSTRUCTIONS;

White'ty............. i was waiting for the yellowing of autumb to begin..........................and now it has,............ as we are at day 92................... give them two more shots of PK13/14 at Ec0.4 the Pk................ on top of the M/B/G 0.6, B52 0.1, + Candy 0.1 then raise Pk to 0.4 = + 0.3 water = Ec1.5..........

white hit em two or 3 more feeds.................. 2 or 3 up to you,............................then we can start the flush with the RO you have acumilated so far ok....................... just aerate the RO........................."No Ph'ing" just run it in to run off every time = every other day................. not to much run off, just a little, dont want it flooded ok............. flush them to day 115 after the last 2 or 3 feeds................... your doing next ok............

I made a couple of feedings with the PK 13/14 leaving the run off 300ml in the tray for water tempering

great, they should use all of that in sugar leaf build........... ive upped the Ec of the Pk above also for the last few feeds white............the overdrive had its affect................. but was curtailed by the retraction of it thank god............. has affected the look of the flowers a bit....................... but no harm done, as if we had continued the use...................... foxtailing good or bad ruins buds !!................ and more importantly 'Waistes" energy that should go to trich formation...

Ultimates have start the yellowing up and it looks like they will all chopped at the same time, leaving me the tent for drying, without the heat of HPS 600w....

yea, we will see the amnesia yellow of a bit more than the ulti's............but thats fine white...........

INSTRUCTION;

so for you;

6 more days = 3 feeds..... = 6 DAY

then leave em 18/6 same light pattern, but "No" water for "3 Day's".............to dry root right out and take down some of the high RH in the buds........ then one 24hr window lights off white ok = 4 DAYS

2-3 days cut & trim and into A4 brown bags hang em up in tent on soc racks as shown = 2 DAYS

@RH70% = 1 day every 10%RH = 7 days drying in brown bags at 24c (If You Can Get Iy Down To That).......if not at lowest ambient will be with lights out for drying, just use air temp white ok........... you can use floor heater during lights out to "Get Down" the tent RH, as lights out RH will climb higher when light out ok.........

you know how to set the 662% RH in the flowers ready for flowering using your RH checker video....... once dried at RH62% and jarred, we leave the jars for 10 days, but open them for 10mins every 3rd day, just to change air, and ensure they are not packed to wet..............

as we put two probably 3 boveda packs ina one ltr jar.................these will soak up any moisture above 62%............ but only 2 maybe 3% RH............... so they need to be around 62%RH or less is fine, when they are put in the kilner jars ok..........................then 10 day lock down jars "Burped" every 3rd day for 10mins........ so = 10 DAYS

TOTAL DAYS TO AVAILABILITY = 22 DAYS FROM TODAY !!! = 92 + 22 = 114 DAYS................ALR

 

[WhiteLight]

INSTRUCTIONS;

White'ty............. i was waiting for the yellowing of autumb to begin..........................and now it has,............ as we are at day 92................... give them two more shots of PK13/14 at Ec0.4 the Pk................ on top of the M/B/G 0.6, B52 0.1, + Candy 0.1 then raise Pk to 0.4 = + 0.3 water = Ec1.5..........

white hit em two or 3 more feeds.................. 2 or 3 up to you,............................then we can start the flush with the RO you have acumilated so far ok....................... just aerate the RO........................."No Ph'ing" just run it in to run off every time = every other day................. not to much run off, just a little, dont want it flooded ok............. flush them to day 115 after the last 2 or 3 feeds................... your doing next ok............

INSTRUCTION;

so for you;

6 more days = 3 feeds..... = 6 DAY

then leave em 18/6 same light pattern, but "No" water for "3 Day's".............to dry root right out and take down some of the high RH in the buds........ then one 24hr window lights off white ok = 4 DAYS

2-3 days cut & trim and into A4 brown bags hang em up in tent on soc racks as shown = 2 DAYS

@RH70% = 1 day every 10%RH = 7 days drying in brown bags at 24c (If You Can Get Iy Down To That).......if not at lowest ambient will be with lights out for drying, just use air temp white ok........... you can use floor heater during lights out to "Get Down" the tent RH, as lights out RH will climb higher when light out ok.........

you know how to set the 662% RH in the flowers ready for flowering using your RH checker video....... once dried at RH62% and jarred, we leave the jars for 10 days, but open them for 10mins every 3rd day, just to change air, and ensure they are not packed to wet..............

as we put two probably 3 boveda packs ina one ltr jar.................these will soak up any moisture above 62%............ but only 2 maybe 3% RH............... so they need to be around 62%RH or less is fine, when they are put in the kilner jars ok..........................then 10 day lock down jars "Burped" every 3rd day for 10mins........ so = 10 DAYS

TOTAL DAYS TO AVAILABILITY = 22 DAYS FROM TODAY !!! = 92 + 22 = 114 DAYS................ALR

ALR i am confused xD

Theres two INSTRUCTIONS.

In the first Instruction you say ''flush them to day 115 after the last 2 or 3 feeds''

So i finish the flushing at around 110-115 days until the leaves are full yellow and then i start the instruction [HASHTAG]#2[/HASHTAG]?

 

[AutoLowRyder]

you are doing just 3 more feeds over 6 days...........

then start the flush with aerated RO no Ph down............... your at day 92 + 6days (3feeds) = day 99, flush to day 115............= Day99 to Day115 = 16 days flushing, flushing every other day, same as you feed, every other day ok.......... to day 115 so that 8no flushes over 16 days white'ty ok.......................

after the first 4 flushes over 8 days, "Check The Ec run off and Ph ok.............. at day 115 leaves em to day 118 lights on no water to dry the root out and dehydrate the buds ok.......... then leave em 24hrs in the dark heater on no lights at all............ then you can chop em white ok..........

the 8 day flush check point, is the time to start your next grow fem seedlings off in 5ltr clingfilmed over pots for the germ ok............... as your on auto run = 18/6 you can fire off your fem seeds then, 8 days before the last flush..............

update every monday as now.......so we can see the autumb set right into the ripeness zone........... and post the run off Ec & Ph as usual, then we see the drop............are you up to speed with above now white'ty my good man ??................ the grow final exit schedule !!ALR

 

[WhiteLight]

you are doing just 3 more feeds over 6 days...........

then start the flush with aerated RO no Ph down............... your at day 92 + 6days (3feeds) = day 99, flush to day 115............= Day99 to Day115 = 16 days flushing, flushing every other day, same as you feed, every other day ok.......... to day 115 so that 8no flushes over 16 days white'ty ok.......................

after the first 4 flushes over 8 days, "Check The Ec run off and Ph ok.............. at day 115 leaves em to day 118 lights on no water to dry the root out and dehydrate the buds ok.......... then leave em 24hrs in the dark heater on no lights at all............ then you can chop em white ok..........

the 8 day flush check point, is the time to start your next grow fem seedlings off in 5ltr clingfilmed over pots for the germ ok............... as your on auto run = 18/6 you can fire off your fem seeds then, 8 days before the last flush..............

update every monday as now.......so we can see the autumb set right into the ripeness zone........... and post the run off Ec & Ph as usual, then we see the drop............are you up to speed with above now white'ty my good man ??................ the grow final exit schedule !!ALR

All good my friend. I can see them getting white with the pk even after 3 applies xD Great product and thank you once more! Excellent buds i see in there...Makes me want to cut and roll one xD

Im planning now next grow...Its going to be definetely Glueberry O.G.

If i plant them in their 5 ltrs cling filmed pots 8 days before the last flush they will not have a problem with the 24h dark period?

 

[AutoLowRyder]

they will not have a problem with the 24h dark period?

is the price we have to pay, dropping the 24hr dark period, if you want to get 8 to 10 days ahead, even 14 days, = 3 days germ, 11 days veg, when you chop the adult 3 down, the seedlings will be 2wks old yea................ timing them up around two wks before the chop, gets you ahead 14 days............ or just wait till the chop and dry is outa the way....................then pop the fems white............... up[ to you,.................. the 24hrs dark period just lifts the terps to the ninth degree.................... but not essential................ but nice !.........

 

[Teetee]

I might have the answer for you mate, have a look at my new thread....
https://www.autoflower.org/threads/teetees-back-on-the-autos-again.71853/

 

[WhiteLight]

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I have bud rot on 2 colas on the ultimate 2....

I started the flushing today...Everything was good...Humidity was 50% so i didnt turn on the dehumidifier and then i left house and come back and find humidity 70%....The 2 colas had 3 spots which they looked yellow...I removed them...Dont know what to do next....Should i chop the ultimate 2??

This is what i manage to pull off the infected colas

 

[AutoLowRyder]

i left house and come back and find humidity 70%

Qs; =

70% did your temp drop in cab then white mate ??.................. usually RH rises when temp drops ?/........

what was temp in cab @RH70 white mate ??

there is not a lot of bud in the pic above white compared to the whole crop.....

have you checked the whole lot for other patches of white mold ??

what is the air temp in the cab now the air temp is 39c white'ty mate ??........

Should i chop the ultimate

i need the lights out close ups to see how they are doing white ok................ we are only day 2 of flush or less,......... so dont want to chop them now, soaking wet etc........

INSTRUCTIONS;

from now on,.......... flush to run off every other day, or every third day "Depending On Pot Weight"..............if dry flush again etc............... REMOVE RUN O WATER FROM THE POT TRAY EVERY TIME WE WATER FROM NOW ON WHITE OK............... that will help lower the RH a bit also.........

INSTRUCTIONS;

WHITE let them ALL 3 dry right out over the next 2 days white straight away ok, so the RH drops, and the oxygen can get back in.....................

This is what i manage to pull off the infected colas

if that was all that you found, you have found it early on white ok..........................so we let them dry a couple of days, then commence the flush again ok............... as directed above,............... dont leave em sitting in water from now on ok............. the high RH slowed down the drinking leading to sitting run off, whitch raised the moisture level in the flowers................... 'ill be back on in 20 mins white ok.................. for pics and answers etc........dont worry, its a small out break with luck you caught it early.......... not to much harm done yea. ALR