Extraction decarboxylating trim for bubble hash?

[bgrt]

does anyone do this?
i was reading on another forum and a few people said they do so that the water soluble cannibinoids are changed to thc etc.
i will be making butter with the trim after two or three runs through the bags.

any thoughts?

 

[bgrt]

yeh just wanted some opinions before i make some hash this week. i think it was that thca and cbda in the leaf and immature buds were the soluble ones and change to thc and cbd when heated/decarb'd (not saying this is fact as i dont know)
it seemed like a good idea as im gonna make some butter for cooking once ive run it a few times (got good results last time) and it seemed like if there were water soluble things being lost during the bubble hash making they would be left in the water not the material so i would then have to either use the water from the hash making (which would up the taste alot i would say) or just throw it losing some good stuff.

i would say it wouldnt add much to the hash but that it could help the butter be a bit stronger

this is part of what i was reading

"Decarboxylation of Cannabis

Natural cannabis contains a wide variety of phytocannabinoids, compounds which bind to cannabinoid receptors in the body and contribute to the high felt when cannabis is consumed. One interesting thing to consider is that the majority of these compounds do not dissolve in water, but were produced in a plant whose leaves and stems are saturated with water and require it to survive. So how were they biosynthesized in a plant if they are not soluble in water?

One proposed solution is that while in the living cells of the cannabis plant these cannabinoids are almost entirely present as their carboxylic acids which are water soluble.

Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)
Insoluble in water, active in man.
Cannabidiol (CBD)
Insoluble in water, active in man in conjunction with THC.

Tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA)
Soluble in water, inactive in man.
Cannabidiolic acid (CBDA)
Soluble in water, inactive in man."

i dont think it would be alot to gain but every little helps and if its simple enough and no risk of screwing up it seemed like it might be a good idea is all.

also a bit off topic but how much trim would you use in 5gal bubblebags?
it says some numbers on the site faq but they say a few things that i dont agree with (recommending things that will leave plant matter in etc) so i dont trust them without checking

 

[bgrt]

i know yeh, i wouldnt bother if i wasnt making butter with the same material afterwards but it just seems like while im making the bubble i will lose some internal potential thca cbda(if thats right) from soaking in the ice water which would be extracted by the butter/heat if it wasnt water soluble.

 

[late]

I have been looking at extract methods.

The impression I get is that the advantage of bubble hash is that it's cheap to do.

You can get results that are as good or better with a lot less work with other solvents.

 

[bgrt]

I have been looking at extract methods.

The impression I get is that the advantage of bubble hash is that it's cheap to do.

You can get results that are as good or better with a lot less work with other solvents.

yeh maybe but its pretty easy to get good results. im happy to stick to it for now anyway.
id like to try some bho at some point.
nicest hash ive ever had i maed last year with bubblebags.
street hash here is filth, mostly plastic and other crazy shit.

 

[bgrt]

How are you going to lose the THCA from soaking?
The trichomes are just getting knocked off not broken down.
I guess there might be some loss as I'm sure there's some THCA on the surface of the trichomes.
Everytime you apply heat, loss occurs though there might be conversion too that makes up for loss but is it worth taking the chance?
That's why I think bubble is awesome as there isn't any heat involved.
That end product can be used in butter for baking, which then during the baking process the THCA to THC conversion can take place.
Decarbing before hash production takes heat then making butter takes heat, then baking takes heat - by the time you get to the end - you might have convert some THCA to THC but there's a good chance you lost some of the original THC in the trichomes.

good point i was thinking that might be an issue too. what i read recommended 170f or lower for a half hour then cooled and frozen before making the hash. i assumed if it was soluble in water like that said then soaking would lose some as itll be in water for a few hours before cooking it for butter.
i more meant the internal oils/glands(if that makes sense..) not the trics. ill probably not bother anyway just wanted to check im not wasting stuff that could be soakd up by the butter after the bubble. third time making bubblehash so just trying to find the best method same for the butter.

im only able to grow on and off so i dont want to waste anything really. not sure when ill be able to grow again.

 

[bgrt]

yeh i prefer bubble being safe aswell. if i did bho in the future i would like to do alot more research and get a good setup for it not just give it a halfarsed attempt so for now bubble for me. its lovely stuff anyway.

He's already losing the cannabinoids within the tissue anyway by using this extraction method.

i might be confused but how am i losing the cannibinoids in the tissue during the bubble process
do you mean that theyre the water soluble bits im talking about trying to make insoluble? would the decarbing not save them then?

im not set on doing it or anything just wasnt sure what you meant.
anyway it seems like so far its extra hassle for a tiny amount extra(or some loss during the heating) but im just curious to know for sure.

 

[waveguide]

ftr it's 229 farenheit (or 220 something..) to convert the thc-a to thc. i don't recall the exact temp you want to stay under, but it's close to 290, so around 230 is fine.

never bubbled but used the oven to "cure" small amounts of bud quickly.. can't say i noticed a loss in potency but oc won't vouch that there is none.

 

[bgrt]

ok cheers,
no decarbing it is so:thumbs:

 

[Nelson]

I use a food dehydrator set at 130 degrees F and I don't notice any loss in potency either. If you need it fast you need it fast. I do this sometimes just to decide if I like the affect on my big Sativas. To me stivas are way more psypho active if they are not left to long.

ftr it's 229 farenheit (or 220 something..) to convert the thc-a to thc. i don't recall the exact temp you want to stay under, but it's close to 290, so around 230 is fine.

never bubbled but used the oven to "cure" small amounts of bud quickly.. can't say i noticed a loss in potency but oc won't vouch that there is none.