DIY can you make an air pot???

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you can throw in organics such as tuna fish, manure, grass clippings.

DO NOT PUT FISH IN YOUR COMPOST TEA.
Just because a lot of bottled nutes have fish in them does not mean it does well in a tea. Those fish nutes have been properly processed so as to not be dangerous to humans. What you just described could get someone hurt. Grass clippings and raw manure also don't make the best tea for cannabis.

If you're really interested in proper teas there are a few threads in here on it. Earth worm castings, Guano and Kelp are the best and most affordable ingredients to work with imho.

Please refrain from giving dangerous advice.
 
I've also read a few times that too many microherd can be bad for the plant because the fauna (en-mass) end up using up the nutrients that the plant needs and can - if I remember correctly - cause an acidic soil

No offense, but I think that's complete rubbish. A large and healthy micro herd is the best thing for an organic grow and I don't really see a way to "manage" a level of microbes. Either you provide an environment they flourish in or you don't, and if you provide an environment that the microbes don't flourish in, an organically grown plant probably won't either. I have never seen or heard of any kind of an overdose on microbes, otherwise plants outside in the ground would do horrible.

I'd be really interested to read that post/article you read about it, please post the link if you can find it.
 
No offense, but I think that's complete rubbish. A large and healthy micro herd is the best thing for an organic grow and I don't really see a way to "manage" a level of microbes. Either you provide an environment they flourish in or you don't, and if you provide an environment that the microbes don't flourish in, an organically grown plant probably won't either. I have never seen or heard of any kind of an overdose on microbes, otherwise plants outside in the ground would do horrible.

I'd be really interested to read that post/article you read about it, please post the link if you can find it.

Pretty sure I read that in teaming with microbes amongst other places. I think bacteria like a neutral ph and shit ph buffer. Fungi like it slightly acidic. I have heard bac. Dom soil for veg and fungi for flowering. Anybody know the correct F:B ratio for MJ..
 
I've seen plenty of articles published supporting as many microbes as you can get but zero stating they should somehow be restricted. I would really need to see a link to some info on that before even entertaining it as a valid point.
 
Caution: A tea high in sugar, high in carbon can set back plants. A little amount often is the answer, not a big dose and walk away. High sugar may mean bacteria and fungi grow fast, and since bacteria and fungi win in competition with plant roots for N, P, S, etc., the plant may end up being stunted.

High bacterial densities can overwhelm the leaf surface with high CO2 levels, keeping stomates open too long.

http://http://www.soilfoodweb.com/sfi_approach3.html#Application
 
Pretty simply, you get a container and an airpump (because the good bacteria are aerobic and the bad ones anaerobic), and throw in a selection of items to brew a nutrient and bacteria rich tea. We add compost for its nutrients and its organic matter and also for its microherd, often bat guano for its high P & K content and flavour, some seaweed for its hormones and trace minerals and some molasses to act as a food for the good bacteria. Some people (myself included) like adding fish emulsion.. but it does stink.

It's really important to dechlorinate the water first because otherwise it kills the bacteria you want to grow. Once that's done and you've added your components.. bubble all that for at least 24hrs and you have a rich organic fertiliser that not only feeds your plants but conditions the soil too...

Absolutely, definitely, fine.:bong:
 
No offense, but I think that's complete rubbish.
Yeah it could well be. There are a lot of urban-legends around in the world of growing and that could be one of them. None of us know everything.. and all of us think something about growing that isnt scientifically true.


A large and healthy micro herd is the best thing for an organic grow and I don't really see a way to "manage" a level of microbes.
It can be done to some degree either by adding to it or by killing-off the microherd in the soil. If adding to it is something we do, then I'd say that, by deifinition, we've managed the population by increasing it. Bacteria aren't immortal and they do die off quite quickly, especially in the presence of certain additives, poor soil conditions and chlorinated water, so we have to maintain some sort of a level if we're consciously growing organically.

If it was a case of add once and never worry about them again.. none of us would bother dechlorinating our water to avoid killing them all off. So, in my view, we're all trying to some degree to manage the microherd in our mediums when we're growing organically


Either you provide an environment they flourish in or you don't, and if you provide an environment that the microbes don't flourish in, an organically grown plant probably won't either. I have never seen or heard of any kind of an overdose on microbes, otherwise plants outside in the ground would do horrible.
I don't think anyone can say that it's that black and white (commonly known as the either/or fallacy). We can provide an environment where they can do superbly well and be supercharged.. or one where they struggle to survive but just about hang-on in smaller colonies, or one where they do ok but could do better with earlier bedtimes and more porridge for breakkas.

Case-in-point.. two pots, one fed with molasses and the other not.. you'll find more microherd in the pot fed on molasses.

I also feel it's a bit of a flawed comparison to say that a plant outdoors with limitless soil to grow into is anything like one grown in an isolated little pot indoors that isn't even growing in real soil, with all the bad bacterial problems, waterlogging and nutrient buildups that occur in indoor pot plants that outdoor plants don't generally suffer from.


I'd be really interested to read that post/article you read about it, please post the link if you can find it.
Pffftt.. could be any one of a thousand late-night trawlings on different gardening sites, or debates on another weed forum.. hence why I'm careful not to state them as facts unless I know they are. I seem to remember having a debate about it with a pro organic grower on another weed forum and him saying much the same - that too many bacteria break down the organic matter too quickly, and the speed if they break down too many too quickly, you have a nutrient buildup, potentially leading to a toxicity or lockout.

Scientifically-speaking those potentials hold-true because that's a lot of what the fauna do in the medium (break down organic matter into chelated nutes). I think balance is relevant, so if any plant had TOO many bacteria all burning off energy breaking down nutrients then the soil would eventually become toxic if the plant wasn't using them all.



One thing I said that I'm definitely doubting now was to say that too many microherd create an acidic soil.. but in fact another memory just surfaced that too acidic soil wipes out the microherd.. so.. that's probably confused and unwound.


:peace:




I've seen plenty of articles published supporting as many microbes as you can get but zero stating they should somehow be restricted. I would really need to see a link to some info on that before even entertaining it as a valid point.

I think that "restricting" bacterial growth is a very different propsition to "adding too many". I don't think anyone's said that they should be restricted.
 
I love those amonium nitrate microbes. Just adore potash microbes and potassium iodide microbes the best of all.

Yeah it could well be. There are a lot of urban-legends around in the world of growing and that could be one of them. None of us know everything.. and all of us think something about growing that isnt scientifically true.


It can be done to some degree either by adding to it or by killing-off the microherd in the soil. If adding to it is something we do, then I'd say that, by deifinition, we've managed the population by increasing it. Bacteria aren't immortal and they do die off quite quickly, especially in the presence of certain additives, poor soil conditions and chlorinated water, so we have to maintain some sort of a level if we're consciously growing organically.

If it was a case of add once and never worry about them again.. none of us would bother dechlorinating our water to avoid killing them all off. So, in my view, we're all trying to some degree to manage the microherd in our mediums when we're growing organically


I don't think anyone can say that it's that black and white (commonly known as the either/or fallacy). We can provide an environment where they can do superbly well and be supercharged.. or one where they struggle to survive but just about hang-on in smaller colonies, or one where they do ok but could do better with earlier bedtimes and more porridge for breakkas.

Case-in-point.. two pots, one fed with molasses and the other not.. you'll find more microherd in the pot fed on molasses.

I also feel it's a bit of a flawed comparison to say that a plant outdoors with limitless soil to grow into is anything like one grown in an isolated little pot indoors that isn't even growing in real soil, with all the bad bacterial problems, waterlogging and nutrient buildups that occur in indoor pot plants that outdoor plants don't generally suffer from.


Pffftt.. could be any one of a thousand late-night trawlings on different gardening sites, or debates on another weed forum.. hence why I'm careful not to state them as facts unless I know they are. I seem to remember having a debate about it with a pro organic grower on another weed forum and him saying much the same - that too many bacteria break down the organic matter too quickly, and the speed if they break down too many too quickly, you have a nutrient buildup, potentially leading to a toxicity or lockout.

Scientifically-speaking those potentials hold-true because that's a lot of what the fauna do in the medium (break down organic matter into chelated nutes). I think balance is relevant, so if any plant had TOO many bacteria all burning off energy breaking down nutrients then the soil would eventually become toxic if the plant wasn't using them all.



One thing I said that I'm definitely doubting now was to say that too many microherd create an acidic soil.. but in fact another memory just surfaced that too acidic soil wipes out the microherd.. so.. that's probably confused and unwound.


:peace:






I think that "restricting" bacterial growth is a very different propsition to "adding too many". I don't think anyone's said that they should be restricted.
 
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