Calling out bad Autoflower genetics/actors

[DIRT]

Humans may not have actively "tampered with the entire global cannabis genepool," but they surely have contaiminated it! I don't think this is "a matter of opinion" at all. With access to the right testing, such as whole genome sequencing, genetic contamination by human-bred plants would likely be detectable and quantifiable. Perhaps, a way to test this would be to compare the genetic makeup of current "true wild landraces" growing wild in the same location (e.g., an Afgan valley) to samples from centuries or even just decades ago.

I would presume over many centuries (or just recent decades) that human cultivation has affected/contaminated the entire worldwide gene pool. Over time, wherever cannabis can grow, some humans have surely been growing it. Plus, pollen carried by the wind can travel long distances. The "true wild landrace" plants growing out there in nature have surely been contaminated by human-grown (presumably selected for traits/phenotypes) pollen over time.

We can agree to disagree.

 

[Les @HLG]

It's a fallacy that landrace strains aren't as potent. The Mazar i Sharif has tested to 20% THC! Now this strain has been grown the same way in the same place for 500-700 years.
There are several seed companies now that are preserving these heritage strains. I also have some Rif Mountain hash plant seeds that came direct from the fields! Thank you Toby, where ever you are!

Yeah everything is inbred with skunk chem og sour cookies and all those strains are already inbred. These strains in many ways are better because they are more potent but the problem is we are gonna lose the original stuff to breed new things out or get new flavors we need a more diverse genepool. Even in the landrace countries strains are being watered down with Western genetics because a farmer wants to grow the best for their clients. Landrace can be all over the place. High thc high CBD mix this flavor that flavor. People today care about bag appeal so the dense ones are selected. Also the early flowering one. @Autofire

 

[Les @HLG]

At least the wild strains will filter out genes that does it no benefit. Within a few generations the only proof would be genetic testing

Humans may not have actively "tampered with the entire global cannabis genepool," but they surely have contaiminated it! I don't think this is "a matter of opinion" at all. With access to the right testing, such as whole genome sequencing, genetic contamination by human-bred plants would likely be detectable and quantifiable. Perhaps, a way to test this would be to compare the genetic makeup of current "true wild landraces" growing wild in the same location (e.g., an Afgan valley) to samples from centuries or even just decades ago.

I would presume over many centuries (or just recent decades) that human cultivation has affected/contaminated the entire worldwide gene pool. Over time, wherever cannabis can grow, some humans have surely been growing it. Plus, pollen carried by the wind can travel long distances. The "true wild landrace" plants growing out there in nature have surely been contaminated by human-grown (presumably selected for traits/phenotypes) pollen over time.

 

[Les @HLG]

I've grown a LOT of strains of autos, it's rare for me to grow a strain more than once. I've grown Fat Buds Mexican Airlines twice, and I'm about to grow their Blue Dream for the second time. I can vouch for those two strains!

I grew some FB's and wasn't impressed---HOWEVER----I was a brandy new grower with a head full of bad interweb "info" and didn't have a clue what I was doing. I can't/don't blame them for my shortcomings and will give them another at some time.

 

[Waira]

ACE has some fantastic heirloom/"landrace" types, IBL's well worked and some like the (New Killer) Malawi can devastating, not just in simple terms of THC%, but the POI (nature and quality of the high) has made that one, and some of her crosses infamous!
There are lots of small breeder/collectors out there, usually in the less corporate type seedbanks, that have some nice selections to consider.
@pop22 there's one from Balk Monkey seeds/Derg Corra Collective called Aunt of Farouk, a genuine heirloom Paki' collected from (a friends) farm there... Many gen's grown, open pollination so it's very healthy and has nice pheno's to hunt for. I've seen it worked/repro'ed by a few folks, amazing results, and the crosses made with it are also stellar. Pure AoF has had a lab test come in at 20+%, some appx. 2:1 CBD pheno's have shown up in the population too!

I have a New Killer Malawi cross running this year, (x Orange Glue).... one just dry, the other late germ' girl finishing up... both strongly leaning toward the mama NKM in aroma so I'm hoping the effects/potency follow suite!

 

[Les @HLG]

I've heard of that strain, in fact I saw it somewhere lol! I haven't grown a Paki yet, or even a true Hindu Kush strain, their on my list!

The Mazar has become a big hit with the family! Thinking about dusting an Auto Ultimate with some Mazar Pollen.......

ACE has some fantastic heirloom/"landrace" types, IBL's well worked and some like the (New Killer) Malawi can devastating, not just in simple terms of THC%, but the POI (nature and quality of the high) has made that one, and some of her crosses infamous!
There are lots of small breeder/collectors out there, usually in the less corporate type seedbanks, that have some nice selections to consider.
@pop22 there's one from Balk Monkey seeds/Derg Corra Collective called Aunt of Farouk, a genuine heirloom Paki' collected from (a friends) farm there... Many gen's grown, open pollination so it's very healthy and has nice pheno's to hunt for. I've seen it worked/repro'ed by a few folks, amazing results, and the crosses made with it are also stellar. Pure AoF has had a lab test come in at 20+%, some appx. 2:1 CBD pheno's have shown up in the population too!

I have a New Killer Malawi cross running this year, (x Orange Glue).... one just dry, the other late germ' girl finishing up... both strongly leaning toward the mama NKM in aroma so I'm hoping the effects/potency follow suite!

 

[CannabisMingus]

Thinking about dusting an Auto Ultimate with some Mazar Pollen.......

No think . . . . do (and I call dibs on some F1 beans)

 

[pop22]

Probably around March as I may head South West to Az. for the winter this year.

No think . . . . do (and I call dibs on some F1 beans)

 

[Les @HLG]

I have done private seed testing for a major seed company. They never talk about their breeders either, doesn't mean a thing. Many seed companies keep a lot of info secret. I'd buy from Fast buds long before I'd do business with the IG pollen chuckers!

I agree. I have had generally positive experiences growing FB gear. I guess what gets me confused is when people assume they are a breeder. I have strong doubts. To me, it looks like a seed bank with private label stock. That's it.

I would like to see some evidence that FB actually owns a plant, much less actual seed producing or breeding stock. They don't appear to me to have any real involvement in breeding as that term is commonly understood. They likely call up a breeder (probably one of the "five") and say - give me a Straw-nana in auto format, pronto! And said breeder crosses auto of some variety and a photo of a Straw-nana (presumably) - takes some steps to lock down traits and starts production. I just don't think FB (or any breeder/seed producer working for them) comes up with all their new cultivars (Wedding Cheesecake, Bruce Banner, Runtz, etc.) after multiple generations and/or pheno-hunting. It takes years from my understanding of it.

They are a marketing entity. This is not to say this is a bad thing - they may have exclusive contracts with breeders to develop their strains and the breeders may be fantastic. In fact, if I was going into the seed business I would probably use this business model. But I have little confidence that when I buy a seed of FB Bruce Banner Auto, for example, that cultivar is not being marketed under a different label with a different seed bank. I have very little confidence that the breeder (who remains unknown) actually used an original Bruce Banner photo to develop the cultivar (and with respect to this particular one, I am 99% sure).

Of course, I could be wrong and they have thousands of plants under cultivation and lots of employees who are working to lock down traits to bring new cultivars to market. I would just need to see some proof of that before I believed it. I just don't think we can accurately call them a breeder.

IMHO, etc.

 

[Frank the Dank]

Mexican Airlines twice, and I'm a

This is my favorite fast buds strain, also.

 

[CannabisMingus]

They never talk about their breeders either, doesn't mean a thing.

Means something.