Calling out bad Autoflower genetics/actors

[CannabisMingus]

’m not saying it’s definitely crap, or that FB sells all crap, or anything like it. It just checked all the boxes of red flags. Doesn’t 100% mean it sucks, but it’s not a great sign either!

 

[BII]

Yes - I read that too. Would be interested in knowing really how much gene sequencing was actually being conducted. I'm not geneticist (far from it) but my understanding is that the capital investment needed is substantial. Maybe Dinafem (or another breeder) had enough revenue stream to justify that kind of outlay but I have significant doubts.

I doubt that Dinafem is doing actual recombinant-type genetic modification, or rather is doing this in an EU/European country. With Europe the home for anti-genetic engineering activism and bias, and with some related very strict or even irrational regulations, the company would surely be doing this somewhere else, such as in the US. Dinafem has reported having a 'secret' (exact location that is) field testing/breeding facility in central Africa (see https://www.dinafem.org/en/blog/Dinafem-heart-africa/).

I presume it much more likely that Dinafem has a genetic analysis, next-generation sequencing operation in-house, and is likely using gene probes/PCR and detecting for specific gene expression or inhibition to guide seed breeding (select specific crosses). I doubt within the EU that any established 'breeder' is doing actual seed genetic modification, which would require complex regulatory filings/approvals and related public disclosure. If any company in the EU was making and test growing recombinant seeds, I presume that would already be public knowledge.

 

[olbobcat]

To be honest, I’m not trying to get into the weeds of someone’s business model. I’m not a business man lol. I agree that FB seems to have lots of “reps” but no real in depth knowledgeable breeder person to talk to. That could just be a language thing, for all I know. They’re an overseas company after all. All I’m saying is their beans grow nice plants, and the smoke is excellent. Some of their gear is better than others, but that’s an opinion.
Oh…and onthe subject of “is it really strain X”? Of course these designer strains aren’t going to be an exact replica of their photo counterparts…..they had to breed it with an auto parent to get it to auto….then hopefully find a pheno that is close to the photo in subsequent generations. If you want to grow an exact plant, you need a clone. Even photos grown from seed have variance among phenos.

Yes I have had excellent luck with fastbuds as well. These XL plants can take a little longer to get into flower. Seeds will never be totally consistent, it is part of the science of evolution. You don't get to talk to the guy that bred your f1 hybrid burpee tomato or seedless watermelon.

 

[Autofire]

Seems like we are chasing our tails here. At the end of the day if it's good smoke it's good seed. In any large market there will always be punters that want to jump on the gravy train and make a quick buck but you gotta ask how much damage is this actually doing to the cannabis industry? Are these "breeders" bringing down the quality of the larger cannabis gene pool and lowering the overall experience of the consumer? Probably not.

I would think we should be a lot more concerned about the big corporate guys that trying to get their grubby paws on the market. FB having better marketing than legitimate genetics doesn't bother me nearly as much as Monsato wanting to take actual ownership of cannabis genetics does.

 

[DCLXVI]

Now THAT I can agree with about Monsanto. Scotts, the lawn company, have been making serious inroads buying up companies as well. They are not a nice player either and are owned by Monsanto.

Monsanto -> MiracleGro -> Scotts -> Hawthorne Hydroponics -> Botanicaire line. (Along with General Organics and General Hydro)

They hide like Nestle does.

EDIT: You can try and "fight the power" with this little list of alts. Nice comparison charts as well if you click on the green bar below the company names.

GH, Botanicare, and CAN Filter Alternatives

 

[Autofire]

Now THAT I can agree with about Monsanto. Scotts, the lawn company, have been making serious inroads buying up companies as well. They are not a nice player either and are owned by Monsanto.

Monsanto -> MiracleGro -> Scotts -> Hawthorne Hydroponics -> Botanicaire line. (Along with General Organics and General Hydro)

They hide like Nestle does.

EDIT: You can try and "fight the power" with this little list of alts. Nice comparison charts as well if you click on the green bar below the company names.

GH, Botanicare, and CAN Filter Alternatives

We can damage their income stream by sharing information a new grower might be unaware and about to make his first nute line purchase if we can stop those dollars going into the pocket of GH then that's a win for everybody.

You would be surprised how much they care about their rep in these grass roots online communities. Without buyers they don't have any power.

 

[BII]

Now THAT I can agree with about Monsanto. Scotts, the lawn company, have been making serious inroads buying up companies as well. They are not a nice player either and are owned by Monsanto.

Monsanto -> MiracleGro -> Scotts -> Hawthorne Hydroponics -> Botanicaire line. (Along with General Organics and General Hydro)
...

Monsanto? There is no such company! Monsanto owns nothing, is defunct, nonexistent.

Bayer AG, a German company, acquired and integrated/absorbed Monsanto, a US company, 3 years ago and dropped use of that name. [E.g., see https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/04/why-monsanto-is-no-more/.]

 

[Autofire]

Monsanto? There is no such company! Monsanto owns nothing, is defunct, nonexistent.

Bayer AG, a German company, acquired and integrated/absorbed Monsanto, a US company, 3 years ago and dropped use of that name. [E.g., see https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/04/why-monsanto-is-no-more/.]

Same diff

 

[Blu_tri]

@Blu_tri would you mind sharing the lineage of Nympho with the community?

@Autofire I guess you want me to give you seeds to go with lineage as well. I’m not going to get bent out of shape by your request.
I have been asked that question hundreds of times and I usually just ignore it.
Anyway brother, it’s quite apparent that you have negative feelings directed at me. I’m not even going to ask you why all the negativity because I don’t give a.. xxx!
Let’s show everyone how ridiculous you are.

Im using seed junky because almost every popular strain carry his work.
You see not many people are willing to pay upward of $800 for a pack of seeds.
yeah they want wedding cake

And I cream cake

But these are the same fools complaining about a $50 pack of seeds.
Let put in perspective. 1000 seeds @ $500 a ten pack. 1000/10 = 100. 100 packs x $500 each Total =$50,000 is that real to you?
But anywho there is a solution.
So they buy cheaper packs from secondary breeders who are simply chucking jbeezy’s work.

if that’s too much money for you to spend, you can always go to guys like this one, or ilgm, or seedstockers and a host of other who just blatantly reverse jbeezy or anyone else’s work and sell it as if it is there own. Are you one of these guys bro?¿

It’s quite possible that you are even too cheap for that and like to hang out in places like strainly. This is where people go to buy unknowns strains from unknown people and pretend like they are buying the real deal.

At strainLy, you can get anything at any price. Just as long as you are willing to fork over the cash. It’s crazy messes up what people will do to separate hard working people from their $$$$
But there are also places where the guys are so low, they will take a breeders work and pass it out to any one who wants it. They like to call it seed preservation. I call it cheap so and sos. Lol

like i said earlier.. all the stuff that someone is trying convinced you that it’s so hot..so why are these guys giving it away like it’s nothing. they do the same as at chucker’s paradise, and pheno hunters.org. And practically everywhere else.
It’s guys like you bro @Autofire. Those meh guys, those dime a dozen.
When you look all over those places, see if you can find anyone with any Nympho seeds.
Brother if you want less invasive information about my breeding projects, just ask.
Better yet. how about you tell me something about the strains that you are developing ?¿. Hopefully whatever you are working will be good enough that someone beside you will want to breed it. Fact !

Anyway peace. And Fly High with the Nympho.

 

[Autofire]

@Autofire I guess you want me to give you seeds to go with lineage as well. I’m not going to get bent out of shape by your request.
I have been asked that question hundreds of times and I usually just ignore it.
Anyway brother, it’s quite apparent that you have negative feelings directed at me. I’m not even going to ask you why all the negativity because I don’t give a.. xxx!
Let’s show everyone how ridiculous you are.
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Im using seed junky because almost every popular strain carry his work.
You see not many people are willing to pay upward of $800 for a pack of seeds.
yeah they want wedding cake
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And I cream cake View attachment 1369778
But these are the same fools complaining about a $50 pack of seeds.
Let put in perspective. 1000 seeds @ $500 a ten pack. 1000/10 = 100. 100 packs x $500 each Total =$50,000 is that real to you?
But anywho there is a solution.
So they by cheaper packs from secondary breeders who are simply chucking jbeezy’s work.
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if that’s too much money for you to spend, you can always go to guys like this one, or ilgm, or seedstockers and a host of other who just blatantly reverse jbeezy or anyone else’s work and sell it as if it is there own. Are you one of these guys bro?¿ View attachment 1369781
It’s quite possible that you are even too cheap for that and like to hang out in places like strainly. This is where people go to buy unknowns strains from unknown people and pretend like they are buying the real deal.View attachment 1369782
At strainLy, you can get anything at any price. Just as long as you are willing to fork over the cash. It’s crazy messes up what people will do to separate hard working people from their $$$$
But there are also places where the guys are so low, they will take a breeders work and pass it out to any one who wants it. The like to call it seed preservation. I call it cheap so and sos. Lol
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like i said earlier.. all the stuff that someone is trying convinced you that it’s so hot..so why are these guys giving it away like it’s nothing. they do the same as at chucker’s paradise, and pheno hunters.org. And practically everywhere else.
It’s guys like you bro @Autofire. Those meh guys, dime a dozen.
When you look all over those places, see if you can find anyone with any Nympho seeds.
bro if you want less invasive information about my breeding projects, just ask.
or how about you tell me something about the strains that you are developing ?¿. Hopefully whatever you are working will be good enough that someone beside you will want to breed it. Fact !
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Anyway peace. And Fly High with the Nympho.

As was already mentioned in this thread. Showing lineage give a breeder credibility.

All we get from you are rants and pics of burnt plants.

I was giving you a chance to prove your salt. Your reply says it all