Calling out bad Autoflower genetics/actors
- Thread starter terp182
- Start date
- Joined
- Mar 10, 2020
- Messages
- 2,478
- Reputation
- 3,017
- Reaction score
- 9,591
- Points
- 0
- Currently Smoking
- Dabbing Sour Stomper
Well-stated. That was my point about many current autos standing on their own merits instead of being compared to a largely hypothetical photo cultivars.
So, we’re assuming this is bad? I grow long vegging autos on a regular basis. Big plants take time to grow.
I believe it's impossible to have 100% auto genetics, there is still gonna be the very slight possibility a autoflower plant will show photo traits and won't auto. Unless there's a form to physically go in and remove that recesive gene, auto plants might still grow a photo here and there. To me thats common knowledge and if it ever happens to me I'll just flower that plant out and inform the company but thays just my .02 cents..
I just meant that if I bought “Auto Gelato” (which one? 33? Another? Crossed to what and selected for what? And so on…) and it went 45 days without flowering, I’d be mighty suspicious.
To be fair, I didn’t notice the mainlining so maybe that set him back a bit. And of course autos aren’t 100% going to be all non-photo, but they’re about 99.5+% auto though. The outliers are extremely rare. With rock solid genetics like “Gelato” and and unknown ruderalis, what could go wrong?
To be fair, I didn’t notice the mainlining so maybe that set him back a bit. And of course autos aren’t 100% going to be all non-photo, but they’re about 99.5+% auto though. The outliers are extremely rare. With rock solid genetics like “Gelato” and and unknown ruderalis, what could go wrong?
I've grown quite a few seeds from FB. Never had any that were not autos but did have plenty that went over 45 days in vege
You have to pay attention to the breeders info on their site. FB Gelato is listed as an XL plant. That means it will get big. Big plants take time to develop structure. I remember a time when the chief complaint was small plants, low yields….when it came to autos. Now that the breeders have worked in some longer vegging genetics to get bigger plants, well now that is the new complaint. Strain selection is important. Want fast plants, find a fast strain. Want some big freaky monster plants….well you can find autos like that too these days. What you’re not going to get is a giant plant that finishes in 60 days. Fast Buds have been around a long time on this site. Handed out lots of free seeds for grow and shows. They’re a decent company I would say. A lot of issues come from the grower not understanding how to select which strains to grow. If you want lots of fast plants, then select strains that will stay small, finish fast. You won’t get a plant like the one pictured below without 50+ days of vegging. Make a goal for your grow….(fast harvest, big yield etc) and work towards it.
pictured….Grande Mocha in a 5x5 tent
- Joined
- Mar 10, 2020
- Messages
- 2,478
- Reputation
- 3,017
- Reaction score
- 9,591
- Points
- 0
- Currently Smoking
- Dabbing Sour Stomper
I agree. I have had generally positive experiences growing FB gear. I guess what gets me confused is when people assume they are a breeder. I have strong doubts. To me, it looks like a seed bank with private label stock. That's it.
I would like to see some evidence that FB actually owns a plant, much less actual seed producing or breeding stock. They don't appear to me to have any real involvement in breeding as that term is commonly understood. They likely call up a breeder (probably one of the "five") and say - give me a Straw-nana in auto format, pronto! And said breeder crosses auto of some variety and a photo of a Straw-nana (presumably) - takes some steps to lock down traits and starts production. I just don't think FB (or any breeder/seed producer working for them) comes up with all their new cultivars (Wedding Cheesecake, Bruce Banner, Runtz, etc.) after multiple generations and/or pheno-hunting. It takes years from my understanding of it.
They are a marketing entity. This is not to say this is a bad thing - they may have exclusive contracts with breeders to develop their strains and the breeders may be fantastic. In fact, if I was going into the seed business I would probably use this business model. But I have little confidence that when I buy a seed of FB Bruce Banner Auto, for example, that cultivar is not being marketed under a different label with a different seed bank. I have very little confidence that the breeder (who remains unknown) actually used an original Bruce Banner photo to develop the cultivar (and with respect to this particular one, I am 99% sure).
Of course, I could be wrong and they have thousands of plants under cultivation and lots of employees who are working to lock down traits to bring new cultivars to market. I would just need to see some proof of that before I believed it. I just don't think we can accurately call them a breeder.
IMHO, etc.
Last edited:
Well, when Dinafem went down there were reports of some quite advanced genetic manipulation equipment. FB could have access to a lab and be able to easily and quickly change gene expression. Might not be traditional breeding technique but crispr tech is real and available.
Imagine banging in some new genes in the lab, cut and paste, boom new strains quick and easy and stable.
Imagine banging in some new genes in the lab, cut and paste, boom new strains quick and easy and stable.
To be honest, I’m not trying to get into the weeds of someone’s business model. I’m not a business man lol. I agree that FB seems to have lots of “reps” but no real in depth knowledgeable breeder person to talk to. That could just be a language thing, for all I know. They’re an overseas company after all. All I’m saying is their beans grow nice plants, and the smoke is excellent. Some of their gear is better than others, but that’s an opinion.
Oh…and onthe subject of “is it really strain X”? Of course these designer strains aren’t going to be an exact replica of their photo counterparts…..they had to breed it with an auto parent to get it to auto….then hopefully find a pheno that is close to the photo in subsequent generations. If you want to grow an exact plant, you need a clone. Even photos grown from seed have variance among phenos.
Similar threads
