Calling out bad Autoflower genetics/actors

I've had thoughts on both sides of the fence on this (a year or two ago I created a thread on integrity of breeders, those that won't/don't show their work, etc.)

IMO I think it's more in the integrity of the person selling the seeds.

Resellers are just reselling genetics, that's a seed bank. We -NEED- seed banks. That's good for EVERYONE because it creates accessibility for products that might otherwise not exist (look at Brother Mendel's Phenotypes for example, that we're about to start up a test for; he won't ship internationally. But, if he sold seeds to a bank that has no problem doing this, suddenly he's increased HIS reach, and growers have a chance to try out new things.

White label resellers are taking others genetics and putting their OWN name on it. If you're going to batt an eye at anyone, these are the ones to batt an eye at (IMO.) Because literally this is taking bulk stock genetics and just putting a name on them. There is no quality control, they didn't breed them. But half the time they don't want to admit they are just white labeling, so then it turns into "the growers are the problem, clearly." And we've seen this rinsed and repeated many times, with many companies.

The problem with any model is still the person behind them running them. Look at Robin Curtis with Greybeard Seeds; he was busted MULTIPLE TIMES now for taking existing genetics (Dutch Passion in this example, among other breeder packs he was known to tamper with,) and putting them in his own Greybeard Private Label brand (his own sleeves, his name on it, no mention of where the seeds came from.) That makes it look like Greybeard is a breeder, and he said out of his own mouth "I have permission from these companies to do this," and so we asked Dutch Passion at the time and they said "no way would we give permission to do that."

You've got the Puff Puff Pass guys (Southwest Bakery,) he used to do huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge drops of autoflowers at once on Facebook, like 10+ in a go, all with artwork and cool ass sounding tasty names. Never once showed his work. Refuses to show his work. Shit talks anyone (and I mean ANYONE) that has problems with their genetics, orders, customer service, etc. But yet there are members even here that still feed him business.

Another common model is for these breeders to operate on Facebook, where they can control every comment. Maggies Auto Farm is a great example of this; I was actually banned from their group for asking questions about the lineage of their genetics (they ripped off Dutch Passion on ALL of their crosses for the record lol...) When I messaged their moderator "why was I banned," he replied "because we know who the bad riff raff is." :rofl: There are also screen shots of Maggie Freier (owner of Maggie's Auto) shipping cannabis flower illegally in the mail to their customers (someone didn't get their package and it turned into a public display. Whooopsie. Hey, not only can you buy seeds from Maggie's Auto Farm, she will flat out send you weed in the mail!)

Look at Kyle Cornelison with Master Sensei Seeds out of Michigan; he came on the forum and literally told us publicly he was just reversing existing genetics and selling the offspring. Should we be okay with that? Do the pro's outweigh the con's for allowing people to operate this way? What if they are public about what they are doing, do we still grab the noose and find the tree?
Much appreciate reading
 
I find the conversation interesting, but let's keep it civil folks.


Have you posted about these experiences on the forum? We can't fix what we don't know about. :pighug:

Edit* You've been a member here since Jul 10, 2021. In 2 months, vendors on AFN have stalked you?

My experience with the vendor was off site. Before I was a member here. I’ve never mentioned the vendor by name out of courtesy to others. And I’ve been into the hobby much longer than I’ve been a member here. And I lurked the forum long before I officially joined. Sorry if appeared to be rude. But the whole badge thing set me off a little. Which is why it came up.
 
I personally think that a large percentage of these small "breeders" are just pollen chuckers polluting the gene pool and looking to rake in some quick money. Anyone now can Fem F1 junk and call it whatever they want to. So on either side of this fence, it's buyer beware!


Let me start by acknowledging that I realize this could turn into a shitshow, so I have no problem having this thread closed if needed, but I can't think of a better place to post this very serious question/issue. Perhaps it's been raised before. It's certainly not new news.

So a few days ago, as Darkhorse Genetics and Night Owl spin up their Dark Owl collabs, DHG made a post about "fake autoflower breeders" on IG, which was quickly moderated into nothingness, within an hour. In that post, he said there are essentially two types of autoflower breeder/seller right now: 1. The banks using a white label or shortcut seedstock and calling it whatever... Auto Gelato, Auto Runtz, Auto Bruce Banner #3 (his point of contention, obviously), etc. and 2. Small breeders showing their work and making craft-quantity runs of true auto genetics.

I'd recently purchased a couple seed packs I was less than 100% sure on, specifically FastBuds' Auto Chemdawg (red flag in the spelling, of course) and Barney's Runtz. I asked DHG/Jason in a DM if he thought I got took, to which he replied "Yeah - don't get too upset about it but yeah".

So, here's my question: what are the collective thoughts here on less-than-100%-verified auto genetics? I know small breeders like Mephisto, Night Owl, Mando, Brother Mendel Selections, etc show or describe their breeding efforts to F4 for fems, but what about the others? Is it time to start calling out breeders (and by extension seed banks) selling fake or subpar autos, or do we continue to let new growers get ripped off and let autoflowers' reputation continue to struggle? To be honest, I'm pretty salty to have bought possibly not-real auto genetics from a very lauded seed bank, who also sells quality auto genetics.

I for one intend to at some point show my work and run this Auto Chemdawg right next to a CDLC or ideally Chemdogging, to show the phenotypical differences between those two autos, at least. I'd love to hear others' thoughts on this, though. As legalization spreads and noobs roll in here and other spaces just like we did, this problem will continue to grow and the scammers will continue to profit. Just my thoughts this morning.

Anyone care to disagree? Am I missing something obvious here?
 
He just wanted to flex. He got to show off and mic dropped out.

Some people join forums to learn and share, some join to strut.

Meh, dime a dozen.
Gotta say, I was reading the softcore-p descriptions of their plants outloud to hubby last night in my best 1-900-number phone operator voice last night and seriously lost my shit.
 
Lol ^^^ she bout lost her shit^^^^vvvv
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I think this sums it up.
Omg! An auto flower is producing the same terps. And it’s doing it in a cross.
That’s unheard of… because auto can’t do that…. Wtf!
Just say your autos can’t do that because mine can.
Wanna know something else this auto can do that yours cannot do.
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I put that talk in the same catagory as those packs…. Cheap.
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Here is what a photo grower has to say about a Nympho purple lemonade f1.
Anyway negative people are going to be negative in any situation.
I wonder what she gonna lose after she read that.?¿
No, I don’t pass out much. I wouldn’t want to offend the many experts that know what every auto should be like.
If you have any more of that cheap talk directed at me. How about putting your money where your mouth is. How about putting up $5k to see if you can out smoke the Nympho.
That way you can put an end to my talk and take my $$$ at the same time.
That’s how I like to settle talk. Especially cheap talk.
Peace,
Fly high,
Nympho !
Not talking shit dude, just they way you described your plants kinda sounds like you moonlight writing "romantic fiction" is all. I was high, it was a good laugh. I know they say sex sells but it just felt like you were laying it on a bit thick.
 
I just want to add no matter what you do you run a restaurant make movies music etc you can't please everyone goes for breeders too. Even if it's your favorite place/movie etc there's probably a person that doesn't like it.
 
All I have to say is that the Nympho is very potent and he is laying it on thick cause it is thick and heavy … lol I have been smoking with Blu- tri for a minute now and all I have to say is he have some heavy shit.. I have had a lot of different stuff but nothing that compares to the Nympho..
Fly High!!
 
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