Calling out bad Autoflower genetics/actors

[terp182]

Brother here are my exact words
“Not to say that this isn’t a good topic, because we should talk about it.
Sharing our thoughts shouldn’t mean “be disrespectful to the breeder.”
I assure you that your post is a good one.
I’m asking others not use a great topic, as a reason to start crucifying breeders who’s gear we may not fully understand.
Forgive me if you thought I was disrespecting your post.
I don’t try to assume that I know what other breeders are doing in their program. There is no way to knowing. So I don’t speak on it. At least not in public. That just my opinion.

Fair enough. Apologies for my gruff pre-coffee, pre-joint morning tone.

I’d just respectfully suggest that, with regard to auto breeders, unless they go out of their way to describe their conversion process, it seems much safer to assume they cut corners somewhere in the pipeline, especially for people new to buying seeds. That single lesson took me almost a year to learn.

 

[Blu_tri]

Fair enough. Apologies for my gruff pre-coffee, pre-joint morning tone.

I’d just respectfully suggest that, with regard to auto breeders, unless they go out of their way to describe their conversion process, it seems much safer to assume they cut corners somewhere in the pipeline, especially for people new to buying seeds. That single lesson took me almost a year to learn.

Don’t feel bad brother it took me thousands of dollars and a few years to learn. I’m still learning. Peace bro.

 

[terp182]

Sorry, I wasn’t clear by F2. I meant a short cut conversion either at the photo/auto F1 or the next unstable stage F2, ie short of full F4 feminized autos as promised.

I see a ton of people on Reddit complaining about autos that are 50 days old and not flowering. That’s what I was referring to. Semi autos (I assume from a first or second F conversion) or lazy white labels or whatever they may be. Bad genetics.

I’m pretty sure your F- breeding process described above is outcrossing, not filial generation breeding. I’m pretty sure I’m using the F1, etc convention properly but apologies if I’m not.

 

[Weedkiller]

Let’s address the white label.
What is it?
It when a random grower reverses a known breeders strain and offer seed for sell.
Why do we have white labels?
Because some grower can’t get access to the original breeders gear.
Maybe the original breeder doesn’t offer the gear in seed form.
Or the grower doesn’t want to pay the breeders price.
In any case, it’s not the best practice to get seeds.
In other words, “the grower takes his own shortcuts.” And choose to swim with the sharks.
I’m thinking this is what the brother is referring to as a f2. I’m not sure.
Here is me trying to help >>> it doesn’t matter how many “f’s” are in a a cross. That’s just it, the “f” mean first.
So even if a strain is noted as F10, that simply means the breeder is at the 10th time he has made crosses in his creation.
So f1 are 2 different strains crosses, f2 is something else is added, f3 mean something is crosses with that. So the strain isn’t stable.
When the strain get to where the breeder likes it, he no longer makes crosses to it, he then breeds 2 of his “f?” together and make his first generation. Gen 1. Gen 1 x gen 1 = gen 2… and so on.
If the breeder take something else and it to the gen 2, the resulting cross once again become a “f1” and the process starts over at that point.
All I asked is for everyone to pay attention to what they are buying. Don’t just assume that you are purchasing worked out strains.
We put ourself in this position because we don’t understand what we are purchasing.
The Nympho is at gen 7
The Murdah cookies is at gen 1, breed as (cookies and chem x Nympho gen 3) x (gorilla cookies x Nympho gen 3). Even with the breedings I put into her, she is a “f1”.
Here is another example using my Cruella. Cruella x Cruella = Cruella f2 aka Cruella gen 1.
That’s why it’s important to know how it’s breed, instead of just looking at how many f’s that a strain has.
Know the difference, because you got exactly what purchased. It’s not the breeds fault that you did not understand you was buying.
Mephisto, fastbuds, Dutch passions, and the host of others. So good work. Try crossing an auto to a photo yourself and see how much wrk is involved. Then learn to appreciate what’s going on from a breeders perspective.
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Hopefully I didn’t offend anyone by the “free education”. Hopefully this helps people better understand what they are buying. And If you are buying from a breeder that doesn’t understand this, you may want reconsider.

Thanks, I feel like I owe you money after reading that. This thread is necessary. I cant afford a failure in my tent

 

[olbobcat]

The problems are only going to get worse, more people legally growing more demand, more people breeding, more white-label banks. The other fact is there are probably about 30000 strains out there

 

[Weedkiller]

I stick with banks i have experience with and breeders with a long history. I try not to get caught up in the new shit..whats wrong with gsc or og?

 

[Jpkindbud]

I may be wrong, but I think that some of the resale companies that offer their own strains are probably using some non-elite genetics for their gear. I’ve seen a five fingered leaf coming from three different stems off the main… Muriel some are l

Let’s address the white label.
What is it?
It when a random grower reverses a known breeders strain and offer seed for sell.
Why do we have white labels?
Because some grower can’t get access to the original breeders gear.
Maybe the original breeder doesn’t offer the gear in seed form.
Or the grower doesn’t want to pay the breeders price.
In any case, it’s not the best practice to get seeds.
In other words, “the grower takes his own shortcuts.” And choose to swim with the sharks.
I’m thinking this is what the brother is referring to as a f2. I’m not sure.
Here is me trying to help >>> it doesn’t matter how many “f’s” are in a a cross. That’s just it, the “f” mean first.
So even if a strain is noted as F10, that simply means the breeder is at the 10th time he has made crosses in his creation.
So f1 are 2 different strains crosses, f2 is something else is added, f3 mean something is crosses with that. So the strain isn’t stable.
When the strain get to where the breeder likes it, he no longer makes crosses to it, he then breeds 2 of his “f?” together and make his first generation. Gen 1. Gen 1 x gen 1 = gen 2… and so on.
If the breeder take something else and it to the gen 2, the resulting cross once again become a “f1” and the process starts over at that point.
All I asked is for everyone to pay attention to what they are buying. Don’t just assume that you are purchasing worked out strains.
We put ourself in this position because we don’t understand what we are purchasing.
The Nympho is at gen 7
The Murdah cookies is at gen 1, breed as (cookies and chem x Nympho gen 3) x (gorilla cookies x Nympho gen 3). Even with the breedings I put into her, she is a “f1”.
Here is another example using my Cruella. Cruella x Cruella = Cruella f2 aka Cruella gen 1.
That’s why it’s important to know how it’s breed, instead of just looking at how many f’s that a strain has.
Know the difference, because you got exactly what purchased. It’s not the breeds fault that you did not understand you was buying.
Mephisto, fastbuds, Dutch passions, and the host of others. So good work. Try crossing an auto to a photo yourself and see how much wrk is involved. Then learn to appreciate what’s going on from a breeders perspective.
View attachment 1368229View attachment 1368228
Hopefully I didn’t offend anyone by the “free education”. Hopefully this helps people better understand what they are buying. And If you are buying from a breeder that doesn’t understand this, you may want reconsider.

not at all, love learning things. I can understand your explanation better than textbook style printouts or posts!

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Growers Choice sucks pretty bad. Ran a number of thier hemp seeds years ago. Cringe.
Just throwing it out there.
GL!

 

[Weedkiller]

100% germ rate..I've run mandalorian and ronin gardens also binary selection ,Mephisto and Mosca and been very pleased. These are witchdoctor

 

[Blu_tri]

I may be wrong, but I think that some of the resale companies that offer their own strains are probably using some non-elite genetics for their gear. I’ve seen a five fingered leaf coming from three different stems off the main… Muriel some are l

not at all, love learning things. I can understand your explanation better than textbook style printouts or posts!

Yeah bro. We have to help each other. I’m sure you are just like me when I say “I’m tired of being deceived as well.”
I suggest hanging in some of the photo groups. Some of those guys are hardcore and tell it like it is. You have to be open minded as to what you believe because those guys are cutting each other throats because everyone one wants to be that guy making the $$$.
Another thing, when it comes to what’s good or not, it’s best to see for yourself. Everyone’s tolerance is different and this stuff dang near effects us differently every time we smoke it.
Another thing. Germ rates. This is just my opinion as well. I’m not trying to start anything.
The price of good bud is close to $500 an ounce. Show me one of the seed that cannot produce an ounce of bud in the worst of conditions. So even if I just get one seed to pop, I don’t get upset. Yeah I want more, yeah it may mess up my grow plans, but I guarantee I got my money worth when I got 2+ ounces of good shid sitting in a jar. That’s worth about a $1,000 if I had to buy it from a dispensary. If I like it, I’ll buy another pack and do better to get 2 to pop this time.. that way I can make more beans for “personal use.”
To each his her own when it comes to how they feel about this because I know how hard $$$ is to come by sometime. I know people who spend $50 a day buying bud off the streets.