are water only soils any good for autoflowers?

[LittleMT]

These colonies that exist when one uses salt fertilizers are not probably not ideal. There are good guy colonies and bad guy colonies, Elaine goes on to explain that when a plant is sending sugars to the colonies in the root zone, it is only doing it to the good guy microbes that assist in fighting disease, virus, pathogens....... When one uses a salt based fertilizer and the plant stops sending sugars then the good guys lose some leverage so to speak against the bad guys in a microbial war....if bad guy biology dominates then bad issues to the plants will often be the result..... If you consider that these plants thrive in nature, what exactly is feeding them? The biology in the soil, as it has since life began.

There are many methods to growing, I have been doing this since the 1970's. It is my opinion from my own personal experiences that if one chooses to use salt synthetic nutes as opposed to a organic based soil grow, they will see better results in coco..... Now I am not saying if you grow in a soil teeming with microbial life and feed synthetic nutes that you wont have results, many will and I personally have, however this whole process gets much easier for me anyways when I rely on what happens in nature. I have personally found what I grow to be of a higher quality when I rely on the soil web food chain to care for my garden. I rarely feed though do have some synthetics on hand if needed, but even though when I rarely use I do so sparingly. To use a soil and feed the plants with synthetics in my opinion isnt ideal for the plant.

 

[Death The Cultivator]

These colonies that exist when one uses salt fertilizers are not probably not ideal. There are good guy colonies and bad guy colonies, Elaine goes on to explain that when a plant is sending sugars to the colonies in the root zone, it is only doing it to the good guy microbes that assist in fighting disease, virus, pathogens....... When one uses a salt based fertilizer and the plant stops sending sugars then the good guys lose some leverage so to speak against the bad guys in a microbial war....if bad guy biology dominates then bad issues to the plants will often be the result..... If you consider that these plants thrive in nature, what exactly is feeding them? The biology in the soil, as it has since life began.

There are many methods to growing, I have been doing this since the 1970's. It is my opinion from my own personal experiences that if one chooses to use salt synthetic nutes as opposed to a organic based soil grow, they will see better results in coco..... Now I am not saying if you grow in a soil teeming with microbial life and feed synthetic nutes that you wont have results, many will and I personally have, however this whole process gets much easier for me anyways when I rely on what happens in nature. I have personally found what I grow to be of a higher quality when I rely on the soil web food chain to care for my garden. I rarely feed though do have some synthetics on hand if needed, but even though when I rarely use I do so sparingly. To use a soil and feed the plants with synthetics in my opinion isnt ideal for the plant.

You're saying probably when there are definitions for anaerobic and aerobic bacteria and fertilizer isn't going to convert one to the other. How is a plant going to stop producing carbohydrates as long as photosynthesis is occurring and senescence isn't imminent?

I'm confused because Elaine also mentions how pesticides kill microbial populations however plants naturally produce more pesticides that we consume versus what we synthetically apply. Going to take Ms. Elaine with a grain of salt.

I'm not trying to be combative but it doesn't make sense to me. I don't deny that feeding the soil working with nature isn't beneficial but plants and microbes aren't going to discriminate between a readily available ion and one that has to be broken down to the extent that whole populations will die off. Over fertilizing is an issue but mineral fertilizer isn't going to harm soil or the life when used appropriately.

 

[LittleMT]

Yes photosynthesis occurs, however the plants send sugars to colonies in its root zone based on its needs. if it has synthetic nutes suppling that need then the plant has no need itself to send some of these sugars to the root zone which again is detrimental to the colonies, it is a fascinating symbiosis in that they take care of each others needs..... Many of the species of bacteria, fungi, will make plant soluble nutrient available at the root, such a Nitrogen, Phosphorous, Iron...ect. When a plant is sending these sugars out to the root zone they are actively encouraging these beneficial microbes to make colonies in the root zone.... Now there is much learning here, so it is fascinating, and if synthetic nutes truly dont do much damage to the microbial life, then this is a wonderful thing. Admittingly I am in Elaine's camp and believe they do harm. But I also understand Cannabis is very resilient and grows in spite of what we do to it....

 

[Death The Cultivator]

Yes photosynthesis occurs, however the plants send sugars to colonies in its root zone based on its needs. if it has synthetic nutes suppling that need then the plant has no need itself to send some of these sugars to the root zone which again is detrimental to the colonies, it is a fascinating symbiosis in that they take care of each others needs..... Many of the species of bacteria, fungi, will make plant soluble nutrient available at the root, such a Nitrogen, Phosphorous, Iron...ect. When a plant is sending these sugars out to the root zone they are actively encouraging these beneficial microbes to make colonies in the root zone.... Now there is much learning here, so it is fascinating, and if synthetic nutes truly dont do much damage to the microbial life, then this is a wonderful thing. Admittingly I am in Elaine's camp and believe they do harm. But I also understand Cannabis is very resilient and grows in spite of what we do to it....

Plants are not going to discriminate between ions is my point. They won't decrease carbohydrates to the rhizosphere just because the ion is available immediately, enzyme/microbial processes aren't going to halt or slow because the ion is readily available.

 

[LittleMT]

We'll just have to disagree.

 

[Death The Cultivator]

We'll just have to disagree.

I appreciate the conversation and I'll reiterate that I wasn't trying to be combative. Here is an excerpt from Raven's biology. Apologies if I offended you.

https://www.autoflower.org/threads/...ig-a-difference-in-final-product.76973/page-8

 

[LittleMT]

I appreciate the conversation and I'll reiterate that I wasn't trying to be combative. Here is an excerpt from Raven's biology. Apologies if I offended you.

https://www.autoflower.org/threads/...ig-a-difference-in-final-product.76973/page-8

Not offended. But again I am Elaine's camp and train of thought on these issues. I can also say though this will be subjective, there is a big difference in the final product when it comes to using synthetic nutes as opposed to relying on the soil food web. I see this in my crops and not just with cannabis.

 

[Death The Cultivator]

Not offended. But again I am Elaine's camp and train of thought on these issues. I can also say though this will be subjective, there is a big difference in the final product when it comes to using synthetic nutes as opposed to relying on the soil food web. I see this in my crops and not just with cannabis.

That is largely anecdotal unless you measuring soil and plant biomass for quality assuming you are saying quality is higher with soil. I'm in the camp of evidence so at the least Elaine isn't up to date on modern science and several studies would disagree with her. Because an ion is still an ion it is fallacious to say there is a difference in the final product just because of the form. That entire thread I linked is pretty informative along with the previous links.

There seems to be a misconception that organics are superior while everyone is terrified of words like synthetic, chemical, and pesticide.

IMHO, organic or mineral based fertilizer depends on the individual situation and need rather than one being above the other.

 

[LittleMT]

I do believe I used the word subjective.... this is my view point which comes from my experience, which I understand will be different for everybody. again we just have to disagree, as in my EXPERIENCE FOR ME, organic tastes better and burns better, if someone prefers synthetics more power to you and them, it does obviously work and some I am sure would prefer this flavor more then a earthly type. My method of growing is simply relying on nature and its processes. So here we are, and guess what, we disagree.

 

[420Forever]

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