Indoor 2xJack 47: 600w led, SCROG, Trying to max out my setup abilities!!

[Bamba]

I am running soil for first time, never liked soil in pots, either DWC or outdoor but what the hell I want to do it once
I want to test if 2 plants in soil can outweight 1 plant in DWC in scrog with limit space.
Also since I grow for my royal anus only, I want to see if there will be any quality improvement with dirt over water.

So lets see what we have to work with.

Strain: Jack 47 autoflower from Sweetseeds

Allready done it in hydro with scrog and now I want to test it with soil. You can see the previous grow here.
https://www.autoflower.org/threads/single-dwc-scrog-jack-47-autoflower.47949/


Lighting: Old mars 2 1200w (true 610), 30w UV-B reptile and prob I ll add 1 more of them.

Tent: 65x75x180cm Gorila light line

Growing medium: 15l Air-pots (damn they are messy shits spliling water all over) with
BioBizz light mix dirt

Nutrients list: AN connoisseur grow bloom A+B, B-52, voodoo, Rhino skin, Carboload, Bid bud, Bud factor x, CAL+MAG+, Overdrive.
House and garden Roots Excularator.

1 seed was bigger than the other and 1 day faster to crack.

Seeds stayed 24 hours in water glass then some hours in papper towel, when their baby root show itself I placed them in the dirt and the LED at 100cm from soil.

The girls Are now 10days old and I just now noticed that I can`t open the photos something should gone wrong during the transfer. I ll edit and upload in a bit.

 

[woody]

Good luck hitting your target mate. Be interested to see how they compare. Get used to brushing soil and perlite everytime you move an airpot lol

 

[Bamba]

So here the first photo porn I plan to update once per week if no more.

The lights are now at 80cm and will be lowered abit to achieve higher temps and shorter bushy plants but not lower than 60-65cm from the top.
Right now I can easy sustain Co2 levels over 1200ppm so I can use higher temps and the more light without stress them,
my aim is 30-32c light on temps, with light off at 20-23c, for the next weeks to achieve the most veg grow possible

The girls grow amazing good and gain 4cm length grow yesterday

The feeding for now is : 2L every 3 days with
0,5ml/L ab grow
1,5ml Roots exculator
2ml\L Voodoo juice
2ml/L B-52

Rhino skin and carboload will start at 15 day mark with next feeding.

 

[Bamba]

Good luck hitting your target mate. Be interested to see how they compare. Get used to brushing soil and perlite everytime you move an airpot lol

Thanks a lot mate, aiming for 300-500 from the setup...take a sit I ll try push it to the max.

Can I ask what u do with the roots trying to sneak out of the holes ; just cut them ?
And if you have a nice way to water them without water go out of the holes but mostly from the bottom?
I can't check the drainage like that

 

[woody]

Once the roots sense that theres no spil after the holes they dont try and grow any further out. They air prune themselves,
Watering can be a pain, try making your soil a little concaved shaped- so a dip in the middle and just water slower than you normally would. If you water them in a tray and feel too much has came out the sides just pour the excess back in again

 

[pop22]

well you've already crippled your chances by using small pots. how can you compare fairly when even a DWC bucket exceeds your pot volume? I find that you need at least twice the volume of soil vs res capacity. I believe that yes, soil can match hydro, but you need to expect it to take a bit longer also.

I'm getting ready to try to grow a 1 pound plus Auto Extreme in soil.
And organic will beat using bottled nutes when you use a good, but simple mix!

I am running soil for first time, never liked soil in pots, either DWC or outdoor but what the hell I want to do it once
I want to test if 2 plants in soil can outweight 1 plant in DWC in scrog with limit space.
Also since I grow for my royal anus only, I want to see if there will be any quality improvement with dirt over water.

So lets see what we have to work with.

Strain: Jack 47 autoflower from Sweetseeds

Allready done it in hydro with scrog and now I want to test it with soil. You can see the previous grow here.
https://www.autoflower.org/threads/single-dwc-scrog-jack-47-autoflower.47949/


Lighting: Old mars 2 1200w (true 610), 30w UV-B reptile and prob I ll add 1 more of them.

Tent: 65x75x180cm Gorila light line

Growing medium: 15l Air-pots (damn they are messy shits spliling water all over) with
BioBizz light mix dirt

Nutrients list: AN connoisseur grow bloom A+B, B-52, voodoo, Rhino skin, Carboload, Bid bud, Bud factor x, CAL+MAG+, Overdrive.
House and garden Roots Excularator.

1 seed was bigger than the other and 1 day faster to crack.

Seeds stayed 24 hours in water glass then some hours in papper towel, when their baby root show itself I placed them in the dirt and the LED at 100cm from soil.

The girls Are now 10days old and I just now noticed that I can`t open the photos something should gone wrong during the transfer. I ll edit and upload in a

 

[Bamba]

well you've already crippled your chances by using small pots. how can you compare fairly when even a DWC bucket exceeds your pot volume? I find that you need at least twice the volume of soil vs res capacity. I believe that yes, soil can match hydro, but you need to expect it to take a bit longer also.

I'm getting ready to try to grow a 1 pound plus Auto Extreme in soil.
And organic will beat using bottled nutes when you use a good, but simple mix!

I was going to go with 25L but after checked how big they can be in 15L, i stepped back, there was no way a 0.60 square meters of scrog could fit them.
The maths in my head was something like that : 1x 20L DWC vs 2x15L (30L) soil

The plan with the 20L DWC was supposedly to fill the net, but the strain/pheno did not manage to achieve that, the big one right now is already bigger than the DWC.

And here where advance nutrients magic start, I could use my leftovers from DWC in soil
I was thinking about organic but what the hell I had to use them before they go bad, after your advice next in line is
organic DWC vs organic soil !!!

now now....
When you will start your A.E ? I am more than interesting to learn before I try it

 

[Bamba]

The Now that's something I never thought about,

I water the girls before I leave my home for work, 8 hours later the roots was out of the air pot bot and in the water that was gathered on the plate, what I am suppose to do ? Leave the water for the roots to be in , do nothing and let the roots that came out dry or maybe keep feeding the girls from the plate ? Half hydro half soil hehe

 

[woody]

Letting them suck up the runoff sounds good to me. But prob best not to let the roots stay in the water too long. Just looking at your top picture again i think your airpots might be inside out- or maybe mine are lol
Anyway shouldnt do any harm

 

[Bamba]

I have my doupts that my air-pots are the real thing and not just a copy
but well they will work for now...

The growth is amazing 4cm weight 2cm height in less than 24 hours.... I can actually watch them grow.
I heared from one old timmer that he is feeding the nuts from the plate and just water from the top, so no salt builds in vege period that you need to flush before bloom and that helps the roots to grow more in the hunt for the food....
I over watered this time to test drainage and there was over 500ml run off so I threw it away, I ll put some drink water in there to help the roots grow and test the plate feeding