Indoor Growing Scrog

[KingRatt]

No offense but I don't think a first time grower should be doing any HST at all. Honestly, not even LST. You don't go tuning a car before you've ever driven one ever at all.

He won't know the plant, nutrient regime, the right timing, won't have the right tools... IMHO, a first timer should grow stuff "naturally", figure out what a normal grow looks like, THEN start trying to mess with stuff after a WHILE - and 420AFs method is just a whole bunch of advanced techniques combined. For a beginner... I mean... do what you like man, I sincerely wish you all the best of luck, but I believe you'd do yourself a favor learning to walk before trying to beat Usain Bolt.

Don't mean to be a party-pooper but a first timer should be starting out gently. This is world record stuff. Just my 2c.

EDIT: KingRatt said it while I was writing, it's really not for beginners. Still, try it if you feel like you're up for it, but don't have illusions of ultra-mega-crops the first time, trying lots of knowledge-requiring methods (just to not kill or seriously stunt your plants) all at once...

EDIT: And to add something more positive as well, as for the question if DWC generally works for the method - I'm trying it for the first time myself. That little plant of mine is still about 2 months away from harvest, in a smaller tent and at 1/4 the wattage 420AF uses, but I'm pretty happy with her - can't complain about any lack of growth, quite the opposite actually, schwazzing her weekly at the moment just to keep RH down (and all the other reasons). Ignore the crappy Amazon under-net lamps, just had those lying around, being useless, giving them a try

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You make alot of very good points! No first timer should walk into this expecting results like they see the gangsters getting. It takes time to learn the plant and i also agree that for your first time you should just try to get a plant to the finish line! But people are gonna do whatever they want. Ut takes alot of time and work to learn this plant(years, decades even)

 

[Sandor]

Thank you very much and couldn't agree more

It's really, really easy to mess stuff up, ESPECIALLY with HST, ESPECIALLY with DWC, ESPECIALLY with SCROG... so yeah, you get the picture The finish line, just like you said, just crossing that will be an awesome achievement.

But I totally get it, when I first saw that blog post on the Dutch Passion blog (purely by accident) about the legendary 420autoflower 1.3kg Daiquiri Lime, well, this was me:

...and I believe that is anyone who reads about it the first time. So of course everyone wants to replicate it. Just make sure (as best you can) to not set yourself up for disappointment. Like I mentioned, I've been doing this stuff for going on 20 years... and I still make dumbass mistakes from time to time, that cost my plants a week or so. I don't kill em anymore, granted, but still.

I set up 2 plants (Dutch Passion Auto Lemon Kix) for this grow, I messed up both by overfeeding early on, then underfeeding after that because I got scared. Cost me a week, easy. Especially in DWC and similar systems, that'll show, clearly, and hard, even if only temporarily once you learn to deal with it. Still, the damage is done, especially on the little pheno - the big one doesn't care too much apparently, dumb luck if so.

So yeah, to finish my TED-talk, do what all the other nice, knowledgeable people here say: read, read, read, learn, learn, learn. Then go do it, go absolutely nuts with all the crazy techniques and rock that grow. But until then... don't make it too hard for yourself. Peace.

P.S.: That thing I said about shoulders of giants, like 420AF, was not a joke or a suckup-move. Don't underestimate how much trial and error it takes to get that good, along with smarts and a real feel for the plants. Guys like him are legends for a reason.

 

[Rick Dirte']

Can’t remember where I saw it lol but the saying goes something like this, The magic you’re looking for in life is hidden in the work you’re trying to avoid. Point is 420’s method is quite a bit of work all the way through a grow. It damn sure works though. Even if you want to jump in right off the bat, it definitely pays off to hang around here and read and participate. There was a learning curve for me for sure.

 

[growhead420]

i get it may be hard but isnt there really some guide that you can follow so it will be perfect/near pefect every time?
like, exact amounts of nutrients added to water, how ofter given water and how much etc

or is it really that different each seed/strain that you need to do every step differently each run? not to mean to be arrogant but the stressing doesnt seem really hard putting the plant on some hanger/clinger and adding scrog too doesnt seem really hard

 

[KingRatt]

i get it may be hard but isnt there really some guide that you can follow so it will be perfect/near pefect every time?
like, exact amounts of nutrients added to water, how ofter given water and how much etc

or is it really that different each seed/strain that you need to do every step differently each run? not to mean to be arrogant but the stressing doesnt seem really hard putting the plant on some hanger/clinger and adding scrog too doesnt seem really hard

If there was a perfect recipe everyone would use it. Yes it is that different strain to strain. I really suggest trying a simple grow or two or five so you can understand what everyone is saying. It wont take much time and youd be doing yourself a favor, once you learn the basics, what works and what doesnt, then you can start experimenting. The techniques used here require understanding of the plants timing and responses To said methods. If you are really serious start at page 1 of this thread and read and re-read. I promise your questions will already be asked and answered.

 

[Sandor]

i get it may be hard but isnt there really some guide that you can follow so it will be perfect/near pefect every time?
like, exact amounts of nutrients added to water, how ofter given water and how much etc

or is it really that different each seed/strain that you need to do every step differently each run? not to mean to be arrogant but the stressing doesnt seem really hard putting the plant on some hanger/clinger and adding scrog too doesnt seem really hard

Honestly, no, there never is. Cannabis is very easy to grow - once you know EXACTLY how to do it, you'll be able to do it drunk, high, while not having slept for a week.

But all environments are different. Just one example: water. In my "new" apartment, we have "good enough to give to your baby" level water. In my old apartment, it was "meh, it's fine" quality. At my mom's place, their water quality is 1% away from being out of the legal thresholds, because it's so dirty.

Just the water quality will make a huge difference for feeding, so you'll have to try for yourself, find the right way to do it specifically for your location (even depending on how old/rusty (if metal) your water pipes are), and then improve on that, iterate on that each time, get better each time.

And then there's air. And humidity. And light. And different strains. And different phenos. And and and and and.

Seriously man, I get it, I would ask the same question - can't you just give me, like, "the definitive guide" to follow?

Yeah, it's out there - just not in one piece. Read Cervantes books. Read other books. Read this entire forum. Watch videos on Youtube if you like. Grow for 20 years. There's your guide

Nah man, just give it a go. Pick good seeds (high yield, with the taste and strength you like, that are easy to grow according to the seedbank you get them from), buy equipment you feel comfortable using (soil and such mediums are VERY forgiving, DWC and others DO NOT FORGIVE, DO NOT FORGET - they require CONSTANT RIGOROUS checking), and just try growing normal plants. You WILL run into issues even with just that. And hey, if you don't, awesome! But if you do, as you will, well, learn from it. And if you're really committed and really into it, you'll be surprised at how good you and your plants will be soon enough.

As the youngins say... you gotta git gud.


EDIT: Personally, I "grew up" with Jorge Cervantes and his works, he's an old school High Times (iirc) guy, and their grow editor or something... he made the "Ultimate Grow" series of videos, and he wrote the "Jorge Cervantes - Marijuana Horticulture - The Indoor-Outdoor Medical Growers Bible.pdf"... those would be a good start, and you learn just about everything from there. But it's old now, the old editions didn't mention LEDs for example, but yeah, the general idea is still the same as it always was - be good to the plant and the plant will be good to you.

Oh, and as for the "not seeming hard" part... look man, when you watch a chess grandmaster win a match, it looks easy. When Tyson fucked people up - easy. When 420AF grows kilos on a single plant - easy. You catch my drift. Grandmasters always make that which they're grandmasters at look easy. Don't be fooled, it's not because it's easy, it's because they know their shit in and out.

 

[Lil Dab]

i get it may be hard but isnt there really some guide that you can follow so it will be perfect/near pefect every time?
like, exact amounts of nutrients added to water, how ofter given water and how much etc

or is it really that different each seed/strain that you need to do every step differently each run? not to mean to be arrogant but the stressing doesnt seem really hard putting the plant on some hanger/clinger and adding scrog too doesnt seem really hard

Never be perfect every time even veteran growers have issues and equipment failures stuff you can't plan for i've seen it happen to the best. Yes he can tell you how much feed to add and all that but controlling your envrieomnt is a huge role and we have people from all over the world totally different environments. Some folks don't need dehumidifier I won't grow without one. There are too many variables but if you follow what he does exactly you should do fine but there will be learning curve.