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[BigBuddha]

i was giving reasons why im right.... with how autos are feed and the starting ph of NORMAL tap water your gonna be fine in soil for the most part. if someone cant honestly read a plant then they didnt research enough before even starting to grow. your trying to act like ive told new people "oh guys throw caution to the wind and just water with whatever you have on hand" which is nowhere near what i advised.
here is the first statement i gave.

and honestly the swing that is able to be tollerated and still produce top notch cannabis is a lot larger with soil then hydro.

here is my second statement.

i did not give a normal range in ph for tap water which i regreted after posting but i mention here to check your starting water. sorry i forgot to give the range.....


here i re suggest that users of soiless and hydro need to take a lot more care of ph range again which is the consistent argument im having.



still pointing out that with most normal suppliment use that these combos should be fine..... i also redefine that using off the shelf soil instead of proper soil is a bad idea and honestly again if your using this stuff you didnt research enough that ph would not be on that growers mind.
im not wishy washy with my advice. i simply neglected to give the proper ph range of NORMAL TAP WATER. again i stand by my statement that NORMAL TAP WATER is fine if you simply check the ph one time and dont overload on nutrients. soil CAN and WILL cleet the ph level at the root level and will still work just fine for the most part for a newbie. checking ph religiously and getting into advanced suppliments besides basic nutrients is not something i advise a new comer to even deal with. learn how to read a plant first and then you can start to get better yields. but i honestly see no point in someone spending 100+ dollars on a ph reader when they need to simply evaluate the water source and go from there.

Right... so.. no matter what I say.. you like to win debates by shouting the loudest and dodging your challenger's points as much as possible.

Ok.

And I would want to continue expending energy on this circular debate that isn't being conducted fairly for what benefit?

I don't see one. So, I'm going to dis-continue with this post-tennis as it's not producing any good fruit.

 

[BigBuddha]

I don't trust my tap water a bit. One day it's running cloudy, the next tastes "numb", most of the days is not bad. I don't drink it. I believe it's because it's coming from the sea.

Ok.. maybe my tapater isn't the worst after all. At least it always comes out of the tap clear, even if it does have enough calcium per glass to make a new set of teeth!

 

[TshirtNinja]

Right... so.. no matter what I say.. you like to win debates by shouting the loudest and dodging your challenger's points as much as possible.

Ok.

And I would want to continue expending energy on this circular debate that isn't being conducted fairly for what benefit?

I don't see one. So, I'm going to dis-continue with this post-tennis as it's not producing any good fruit.

no i pointed out all my posts and why they support each other..... i say that its good for most and not all. i cant possibly get all situations on pack but the majority of soil grows dont need phing within the guidelines i put up.

 

[BigBuddha]

Ok fella. I don't want to continue an argument with you til the point that we fall out over it. So I'm happy to walk away here if you are.

 

[oldboy]

What a great debate.

As a first timer I want to thank you, the information in the thread above is just what I needed to see.

It’s important to absorb information regarding a subject matter from all sides. All view points. That way you can formulate your own opinions, and reasoning behind why you would go one way of another.

I have a crappy little test tube to which I can add water and a drop of solution to check the ph of my tap water.
The first time i added water to soil checked the tap water 7.0-7.5
I added ph down till i got to 6.0-6.5. and then added the water to the pot.

In between my first and second watering, I read that the water should be at room temp, So I filled a bucket, adjusted the ph and left if covered.
The next day without checking the ph of the bucket water ( because i had done that already ) i watered my plant.

I checked the water in the bucket after reading a comment in the thread above about the ph level of water after its been standing for 24h.
My water had a ph level around 8.5.


Water changes its ph level when left . I never thought about that.


In short, these types of debates are essential and when made by informative and funny writers
( the “don’t piss in my pocket gag” made me laugh out loud ) Regardless of the out come.

It inspires the novice to read more so that he too may join in the debate.


Today I will be finding out about this ec level your all talking about )


I hope this finds you all well and happy.

Oldboy

 

[KindredSpirit]

Even if you check your water once, I've found in some instances pH can change and sometimes frequently. My first real grow was done at a place where there was a deep well and a great underground aquifer. pH out of the tap (after an RO device) was usually 6.5. If we had a heavy rainstorm, pH would swing up to 7.0 the following day and return to 6.5 the day after that. If we had a system move into place that dropped rain for a couple of days, the pH would swing up to 7.3 - 7.5 for a couple of days following, then took a couple days to return back to normal. In my current residence, I'm on town water and I've seen the pH swing as much as 1.5 points from week to week, depending on where they are in the treatment cycle. Just my

 

[BigBuddha]

Sup oldboy,

Water changes its ph level when left . I never thought about that.

Yep. And temperature (higher temp = lower PH and vice-versa), the quality of your room air also makes a difference and as you discovered.. standing/bubbling/flooming/dechlorination all make it rise/lower (usually rise).

I'm glad you mentioned this issues because it was right at the centre of 3 months of near-despair for me.. so much so that I almost quite growing!

My first ever grow went great with water straight from the tap so as you can imagine I never thought to consider it a possible problem causer.
THEN I read all about dechlorination so, like you, I started bubbling my water overnight but nobody told me that it would raise my PH. So, I started off thinking my water was better with no chlorine in it but what I got was a stream of plant-problems and couldn't figure out why, and neither could anyone else because nobody thought to ask me what my tapwater EC/PH was (bad, as it turned out).


But... it's just meant to be a weed so why the Fffffff isn't it easier to grow?

Today I will be finding out about this ec level your all talking about )

Oooohh that's a good topic. Far less explosive than the PH debate and much easier (in my opinion) to grasp.

I hope this finds you all well and happy.

Likewise. I'm just about to start Friday's wake n bake so that'll certainly help

Even if you check your water once, I've found in some instances pH can change and sometimes frequently. :

Not only that (which is correct), the feed mix will change after 20 minutes of being mixed with water. Sometimes it takes me 2-3 hrs to properly stabilise 50ltrs of water and just when I think it's stabilising.. it rises again so I have to add more ph down.

And what really gets my goat is when you go through all that before adding it to the pot, only to fin that the soil buffers it anyway and raises/lowers it for you

 

[oldboy]

A very good morning to both BigBuddha and KindredSpirit
It is definitely a fascinating topic.

I did some reading last night, I need to get up to speed on the subject for in a while I will be mixing nutes, my fear is that I may not own a digital PH tester by then.

What got me a little annoyed was the fact the shop gave me this tester kit when it cant be used once the nutes have been mixed in water. Pointless !!

I checked out the Biobizz site and they recommend a starting PH of 7.0 before adding the nutes. Starting off natural makes sense I suppose.

only 10hours before i can get toasted. cant wait. !


Oldboy

 

[BigBuddha]

G' mornin cobba,

A very good morning to both BigBuddha and KindredSpirit
It is definitely a fascinating topic.

I did some reading last night, I need to get up to speed on the subject for in a while I will be mixing nutes, my fear is that I may not own a digital PH tester by then.

What got me a little annoyed was the fact the shop gave me this tester kit when it cant be used once the nutes have been mixed in water. Pointless !!

I checked out the Biobizz site and they recommend a starting PH of 7.0 before adding the nutes. Starting off natural makes sense I suppose.

only 10hours before i can get toasted. cant wait. !


Oldboy

That's interesting.. Biobizz normally harp on about never needing to ph adjust if using their soil + nutes together. While it's true measuring ec of organics is pretty pointless, In my groom I'd be somewhat concerned adding their nutes to my tapwater if it was ph7. The reason I say that is that using their nutes with tapwater of 8.2 brings them right down to just under 7 (which is a little high), so adding to ph 7 water seems like it'll drop it too low. Then again Biobizz know a lot more about their nutes and PH than I do so..

Each point on the PH scale is 100 times the acidity/alkilinity of the previous/next point on the scale. So, PH 6.5 is ten times more acidic than PH 6.4 and when you think of that it makes sense that we try to get it as accurate as possible. But for all any of us can say about this, there'll always be someone else who points out that it' not as esential as some make out.


Thinking about it now.. I don't think I've actually tried the combination of biobizz soil + nutes together. Hmm.. you've given me an idea to try out.

 

[oldboy]

I must be more factual in my posts.

The information from Biobizz was posted on a site. A chap had emailed them to ask a variety of questions and one of them was “ what should the ph of the water be before mixing the nutes” the reply was 7.0( ill try and find the post again )

As mentioned I was worried that I may not have the digital ph tester in time. So i was thinking of ways I could manage without one.
Like you say the nutes I have drop the ph level down, so if I have 1 ltr of water ph 7 what would effects of adding 1ml nutes.
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