Quality is an issue. You can buy cheap. Shop at Walmart. Chinese made items are often of poor quality and getting support is tough. I pay more for customer service, warranty, and of course being an American... I like that my light was made in Austin. I'm not selling anything. I'm testing a light out.
Lighting updated LED's?
- Thread starter Vedder6.0
- Start date
- Joined
- Sep 30, 2015
- Messages
- 1,651
- Reputation
- 1,600
- Reaction score
- 7,113
- Points
- 0
- Currently Smoking
- T20 Double Whisky Sour
It's not quality diodes though. That's why I point the price out and compare it to something with similar diodes, cheap Chinese lights.
It may be well built and all that but it's in the price range of a premium led fixture, and that it is not. Look at tasty led, pacific light concepts for made in America high quality and priced right.
Timber, optic, a51, all running good leds(a little harder but still high end), amare, budmaster, Apache, GN for your overpriced luxury lights.
I just keep pointing out that a led light output of 909 will not replace a 1000w hps with an output of 1798umols. Those are the kinds of shady business practices we see from the cheap Chinese crap. Wild claims and the numbers just don't back it up.
It may be well built and all that but it's in the price range of a premium led fixture, and that it is not. Look at tasty led, pacific light concepts for made in America high quality and priced right.
Timber, optic, a51, all running good leds(a little harder but still high end), amare, budmaster, Apache, GN for your overpriced luxury lights.
I just keep pointing out that a led light output of 909 will not replace a 1000w hps with an output of 1798umols. Those are the kinds of shady business practices we see from the cheap Chinese crap. Wild claims and the numbers just don't back it up.
have u ever owned one? no? i bought 10 surexi chips a while back and use them in fixture, they r great, sure not as efficient as undr driving a 180w cree cxb cob at only 50w but 1.7 umols per watt is pretty good, thats aroun 38% efficient
ofocurse u are talking about bml not illumitex, bml use cree diodes...xml 2s?
do you even know anything about LEDs btw?
I wrote to Fluence (formerly BML) and directed them to this thread and asked them to please respond. They did by the end of the day (Money for amazing customer service).
'Within the thread people are stating that we use cheap diodes and that we have less PAR than a 600 single ended HPS...we use Osram, Samsung, and LG. These are the top diode manufacturers in the world, not only are we using the best diodes but we also purchase based on top binning, meaning we do not use second tier diodes even from the best manufacturers. All of our manufacturing is done here in Austin TX.
Our team includes an in house PhD Photobiologist and Enigneers.
The numbers that people are quoting are PPF, not PPFD. there is a huge difference between these numbers because it does not account for the amount of light actually hitting a target. If you see a Umol/S = PPF, Umol/M2/s = PPFD.
If I have a total output released by a HID bulb, 50% is being radiated in the opposite direction of the canopy and reflected back. This brings the PPFD of a source down significantly. From there the light needs to travel from a 2'-3' in order to hit its target, also bringing down usable light at target. What this also does not take into account is dust accumulation (if air cooled) and bulb degradation ( Not applicable with LED). Bulb degradation is a huge disadvantage because all stated out put by manufacturers is at day one, which is not even considering the change in spectral composition due to the degradation.
Here are some actual PPFD numbers produced in field taken with a $1,200 Li-Core PAR meter. These are all Double ended 1000W HPS
There are so many more inputs that come into play here, efficacy, spectral composition, life span, labor costs, thermal management etc.
HERE is a link to an early adopter of SPYDRx Plus who has just yielded between 3-4 Lbs with our lights.
HERE is a SPYDRx (smaller light) customer who just got 611.2 grams = 21.6 oz = 1.35 lbs. That's 1.8 grams per watt with NO Co2!
HERE is a link explaining some of the metrics we use to define what is important within the lighting market.
In general, I don't like to bash on other companies on the market. Everyone has there place within the grow room, whether they cater to home hobbyists or commercial cannabis production. There is a wealth of misinformation and misunderstanding in the cannabis industry. I like to just state where we shine as opposed to where others falter.
I am attaching a study done by the University of Utah regarding the efficiency within the horticultural market for your consideration.
We appreciate your business, I am 112% sure that your success will show most growers that we are atypical within the LED market. If you have any questions regarding the deployment of your fixture or best practices when adopting new and powerful technology, please let me know. "
'Within the thread people are stating that we use cheap diodes and that we have less PAR than a 600 single ended HPS...we use Osram, Samsung, and LG. These are the top diode manufacturers in the world, not only are we using the best diodes but we also purchase based on top binning, meaning we do not use second tier diodes even from the best manufacturers. All of our manufacturing is done here in Austin TX.
Our team includes an in house PhD Photobiologist and Enigneers.
The numbers that people are quoting are PPF, not PPFD. there is a huge difference between these numbers because it does not account for the amount of light actually hitting a target. If you see a Umol/S = PPF, Umol/M2/s = PPFD.
If I have a total output released by a HID bulb, 50% is being radiated in the opposite direction of the canopy and reflected back. This brings the PPFD of a source down significantly. From there the light needs to travel from a 2'-3' in order to hit its target, also bringing down usable light at target. What this also does not take into account is dust accumulation (if air cooled) and bulb degradation ( Not applicable with LED). Bulb degradation is a huge disadvantage because all stated out put by manufacturers is at day one, which is not even considering the change in spectral composition due to the degradation.
Here are some actual PPFD numbers produced in field taken with a $1,200 Li-Core PAR meter. These are all Double ended 1000W HPS
There are so many more inputs that come into play here, efficacy, spectral composition, life span, labor costs, thermal management etc.
HERE is a link to an early adopter of SPYDRx Plus who has just yielded between 3-4 Lbs with our lights.
HERE is a SPYDRx (smaller light) customer who just got 611.2 grams = 21.6 oz = 1.35 lbs. That's 1.8 grams per watt with NO Co2!
HERE is a link explaining some of the metrics we use to define what is important within the lighting market.
In general, I don't like to bash on other companies on the market. Everyone has there place within the grow room, whether they cater to home hobbyists or commercial cannabis production. There is a wealth of misinformation and misunderstanding in the cannabis industry. I like to just state where we shine as opposed to where others falter.
I am attaching a study done by the University of Utah regarding the efficiency within the horticultural market for your consideration.
We appreciate your business, I am 112% sure that your success will show most growers that we are atypical within the LED market. If you have any questions regarding the deployment of your fixture or best practices when adopting new and powerful technology, please let me know. "
- Joined
- Sep 30, 2015
- Messages
- 1,651
- Reputation
- 1,600
- Reaction score
- 7,113
- Points
- 0
- Currently Smoking
- T20 Double Whisky Sour
Looks like they changed their website data from ppf(average output in a 1mx1m) to ppfd of a 4'x4'. Which changes the ppf to ~1300, there you could argue similar results as an 1000w hps with a ppf of 1798(reflection loss, poorer spread, bulb age)
Still not the efficiency you see with cob lighting at a lower cost. But not a bad light according to specs, just depends on what specs they feel like posting on their site I suppose.
No need and getting complicated with this stuff. Look at ppf or lumens, wattage, and price when shopping for leds. That's about all you need to figure out the quality of a fixture(if they provide actual information).
Bmls and at600s are quality lights if you want to shell out the coin for it, but they're old tech. Cree specifically at low wattage, I believe up to 74% for the DD bin 3590s ran at like 20w.
Still not the efficiency you see with cob lighting at a lower cost. But not a bad light according to specs, just depends on what specs they feel like posting on their site I suppose.
No need and getting complicated with this stuff. Look at ppf or lumens, wattage, and price when shopping for leds. That's about all you need to figure out the quality of a fixture(if they provide actual information).
Bmls and at600s are quality lights if you want to shell out the coin for it, but they're old tech. Cree specifically at low wattage, I believe up to 74% for the DD bin 3590s ran at like 20w.
Similar threads
