TLO: For dummies, from a dummy.

[X]

TY got a bom nom from my lady

Very well done... Congratulations!

also got some Espoma Tripple Phosoahte how much should i add

I'm afraid I may have bad news... the probable answer is none. Don't feel too bad, I still have an unopened bag of it that I bought when I first started. I just checked the bag and it is something called "SuperPhosphate" from another company... it is not organic. It is hard to tell you how much of that to add, if it is in fact, organic because the name would indicate it has been concentrated (or perhaps from three separate phosphate sources... I have no idea). Check the ingredients or phosphate source stated on the bag and make sure it is organic before use... and, it will be very important to cook this before planting anything in it.

1/2 tsp per foot of branch lol i cant figure out that shit

LOL... heck! I don't know that until harvest time... A decent sized, fairly bushy auto, would probably have about 10' of branching based on my off the cuff estimate... How many plants you gonna grow in that 30 gals of mix? As I understand their recommendation, the formula is: #of plants x ft of branching per plant. I'd take a look at: 10 x #of plants x 1/2 tsp (JFYI, 3tsp = 1tblsp)

Me... I would go to kelp4less.com and order a small bag of rock phosphate... I hate guesswork.

 

[DABaracuss]

I purchased the Espoma Triple Phosphate 0-45-0. This form of P is rock phosphate treated with phosphoric acid that chemically alters it into a soluble form that is useable by plants. The ‘45’ represents 45% available water soluble P. Compare that to the 3% available P in the rock phosphate and you can see a significant difference. For our indoor uses we are better off using a P source where the label indicates “available” P, meaning it is water soluble and available as needed. ( I found this about it on another forum.)

 

[wg]

Wikipedia

Triple superphosphate[edit]
Triple superphosphate is a fertilizer produced by the action of concentrated phosphoric acid on ground phosphate rock.
Ca3(PO4)2(s) + 4 H3PO4(aq) → 3 Ca 2+(aq) + 6 H2PO41-(aq) → 3 Ca(H2PO4)2(aq)
The active ingredient of the product, monocalcium phosphate, is identical to that of superphosphate, but without the presence of calcium sulfate that is formed if sulfuric acid is used instead of phosphoric acid. The phosphorus content of triple superphosphate (17 - 23% P; 44 to 52% P2O5) is therefore greater than that of superphosphate (7 - 9.5% P; 16 to 22% P2O5). Triple superphosphate was the most common phosphate (P) fertilizer in the USA until the 1960s, when ammonium phosphates became more popular. It is produced in granular and nongranular form and is used both in fertilizer blends (with potassium and nitrogen fertilizers) and by itself

Phosphoric acid is a chemical in every sense of the word, it's 100% inorganic. Therefor, no you would not use it in TLO or organics.

Phosphoric acid is used as an antimicrobial in soft drinks. :thumbs:

http://books.google.com/books?id=_L...epage&q=phosphoric acid antimicrobial&f=false

 

[swampman]

hey X ...i have a Super soil Mix made alot by this with some other products. ..
It will be my first truely TLO/Bio ..i guess ...
Well it based off the same techniques of Poops ..
My own Vermiculture ...that im just being able to harvest from ..Red Wigglers ...they bad ass ..
All the Poops necessary and well all this stuff ..

I just started a thread and would like to ask for help along the way or a good watch ful eye ..
I have the poops to make teas with panties and stuff ..lol

I think the soil will be rich enuff to not have to feed more but who knows ...i have a Strain that has just proved to get larger than thought ..
I wanna easy grow with water and a tea every 2 weeks or so ..
when using fresh Vermicompost is there summn I should worry about ( I feed the Veggie Popsicles)
Freeze food scraps till a gallon bag is full fill it with water and let them have it ...helps keep em cool too when it's hot ....
So could the fresh rotten food scraps maybe do damage ..
Again its my first go completely SUPER so thanks for the refreshment of TLO

 

[X]

I purchased the Espoma Triple Phosphate 0-45-0. This form of P is rock phosphate treated with phosphoric acid that chemically alters it into a soluble form that is useable by plants. The �45� represents 45% available water soluble P. Compare that to the 3% available P in the rock phosphate and you can see a significant difference. For our indoor uses we are better off using a P source where the label indicates �available� P, meaning it is water soluble and available as needed. ( I found this about it on another forum.)

Aside from the Phosphoric acid issue (which is enough on it's own), we only need highly soluble minerals when we are feeding the plants directly. We use the less soluble organic minerals because they are for long term nutrition of the microbes, not a short-term burst during flowering. The two approaches are almost opposite if each other... it is nice to have more than one choice that works.

hey X ...i have a Super soil Mix made alot by this with some other products. ..
It will be my first truely TLO/Bio ..i guess ...
Well it based off the same techniques of Poops ..
My own Vermiculture ...that im just being able to harvest from ..Red Wigglers ...they bad ass ..
All the Poops necessary and well all this stuff ..

Sorry, but I didn't understand most of that... It sounds like you may be saying you have been making worm compost and you want to grow plants in it.

I just started a thread and would like to ask for help along the way or a good watch ful eye ..
I have the poops to make teas with panties and stuff ..lol

I think the soil will be rich enuff to not have to feed more but who knows ...i have a Strain that has just proved to get larger than thought ..
I wanna easy grow with water and a tea every 2 weeks or so ..
when using fresh Vermicompost is there summn I should worry about ( I feed the Veggie Popsicles)
Freeze food scraps till a gallon bag is full fill it with water and let them have it ...helps keep em cool too when it's hot ....
So could the fresh rotten food scraps maybe do damage ..
Again its my first go completely SUPER so thanks for the refreshment of TLO

Again, I guess I could use a translator... But it sounds like you have made some worm compost that you believe will support plants through a grow... an experiment.

Also sounds like you would like for me to hang out in your thread and tell you how to fix things along the way, if things go south...

As I have stated many times. I take no issue with anyone who wants to try new things, tinker, whatever. But, I don't do that. I don't find it entertaining, and I've already invested probably near or over 100 hours setting up this forum when it first started, and organizing the research stickies, etc. to help people avoid having to experiment. That is what I'm about when it comes to helping people learn. So, if you want to experiment, have at it... but when you do, you're on your own as far as I'm concerned.

So, I will probably visit the thread but I'm not going to be on standby... sorry.

 

[swampman]

well all good supersoils require alot of EWC That I've read. What i am trying to do is only collect Casting fro. The container. When it rains i can use natural rain water through it and has a drip spiut that i can make fresh Poop tea.
the Soil made was alot based of knowledge from here instead some used Just Right Xtra that was used!
I have noticed a way raiser and more volume in my mater garden and I haven't had any issues this go with the veggie garden ..
I even forget to use the ph pen cause of the Organic Buffer ...
I guess all I can do is wait and see !!

 

[DABaracuss]

TLO is a mix of lots of things so the more diversity the better and make sure you let the soil sit 40 days watering it with ph water and molasses and add some Bio to it to give it a nice microbe herd for lots of microbe poop.:smokebuds:got this one X lol Im learning a lil correct me if im wrong though witch im sure you will you straight shooter:howdy: lol

 

[DABaracuss]

Now with TLO can i use rain water and add cal/mag+ or should i stick to phed sink water? Do you let yours sit?I mean i see peeps watering with water hose all day long lol maybe its a outdoor thing?What is the main things that blance PH in TLO green sand and d-lime?I dont want to have any PH or cal/mag problems in my next round.

 

[X]

Now with TLO can i use rain water and add cal/mag+ or should i stick to phed sink water? Do you let yours sit?I mean i see peeps watering with water hose all day long lol maybe its a outdoor thing?What is the main things that blance PH in TLO green sand and d-lime?I dont want to have any PH or cal/mag problems in my next round.

If you put dolomite and epsom salts in your mix, in the amounts listed on the recipe you used, you will not have cal/mag issues. Green sand may have enough mag but it is used more as a broad-spectrum mineral source.

If you're using tap water, the pH can be really high (mine is 8.5 or so) and it needs to be de-clorinated or the chlorine will damage the micro-herd. I also aerate my water 24/7 in a reservoir (heavy duty 20 gal storage bin). With an healthy TLO mix, pH may not be an issue, as many experienced TLO growers attest. I'm too nervous to try that, so I do buffer the pH my water.

I water my flowers and other things in my lawn with water straight from the hose. If I could afford it, I would dig a well, but I really can't and I have a lot of stuff that needs regular watering but I wouldn't use it on anything I am going to consume.

 

[DABaracuss]

I think i messed it up i put some unwashed co co in it and it my be salty ..how can i fix it or check it? Or will time heal it?Aslo now that my hydro shop grew they carry this http://www.xtreme-gardening.com/products They said most others get their Mycos and Azos from them and they are the best.They are going to re-brand so maybe there will be a sale on the pumpkin packaging soon.