La Buena Hierba The Theory of AF Origins.

Why can you possess traits neither of your parents have? The relationship of genotype to phenotype is rarely as simple as the dominant and recessive patterns described by Mendel.
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One of Gregor Mendel's greatest contributions to the study of heredity was the concept of dominance. Mendel observed that a heterozygote offspring can show the same phenotype as the parent homozygote, so he concluded that there were some traits that dominated over other inherited traits. However, the relationship of genotype to phenotype is rarely as simple as the dominant and recessive patterns described by Mendel. As the study of inheritance expanded beyond the seven traits Mendel initially examined and also included organisms other than pea plants, biologists began to notice a variety of relationships between alleles that code for the same trait. These allelic interactions were not exclusively recessive or dominant, and they greatly enriched our understanding of how genotype leads to phenotype.




Complete versus Partial Dominance



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Dominance affects the phenotype derived from an organism's genes, but it does not affect the way these genes are inherited. Complete dominance occurs when the heterozygote phenotype is indistinguishable from that of the homozygous parent. However, sometimes the heterozygote displays a phenotype that is an intermediate between the phenotypes of both homozygote parents (one of which is homozygous dominant, and the other of which is homozygous recessive). This intermediate phenotype is a demonstration of partial or incomplete dominance. When partial dominance occurs, a range of phenotypes is usually observed among the offspring. Although the offspring may show a variety of phenotypes, each one will lie along a continuum bracketed by the homozygous parental phenotypes.
In Figure 1, for example, neither flower color (red or white) is fully dominant. Thus, when homozygous red flowers (A1A1) are crossed with homozygous white (A2A2), a variety of pink-shaded phenotypes result. Note, however, that partial dominance is not the same as blending inheritance; after all, when two F1 pink flowers are crossed, both red and white flowers are found among the progeny. In other words, nothing is different about the way these alleles are inherited; the only difference is in the way the alleles determine phenotype when they are combined.




Codominance


As opposed to partial dominance, codominance occurs when the phenotypes of both parents are simultaneously expressed in the same offspring organism. Indeed, "codominance" is the specific term for a system in which an allele from each homozygote parent combines in the offspring, and the offspring simultaneously demonstrates both phenotypes. An example of codominance occurs in the human ABO blood group system. Many blood proteins contribute to blood type (Stratton, 1952), and the ABO protein system in particular defines which types of blood you can receive in a transfusion. In a hospital setting, attention to the blood proteins present in an individual's blood cells can make the difference between improving health and causing severe illness.
There are three common alleles in the ABO system. These alleles segregate and assort into six genotypes, as shown in Table 1.
Table 1: Possible ABO Genotypes
Blood Type Related Genotype(s) A AA or AO B BB or BO AB AB O OO As Table 1 indicates, only four phenotypes result from the six possible ABO genotypes. How does this happen? To understand why this occurs, first note that the A and B alleles code for proteins that exist on the surface of red blood cells; in contrast, the third allele, O, codes for no protein. Thus, if one parent is homozygous for type A blood and the other is homozygous for type B, the offspring will have a new phenotype, type AB. In people with type AB blood, both A and B proteins are expressed on the surface of red blood cells equally. Therefore, this AB phenotype is not an intermediate of the two parental phenotypes, but rather is an entirely new phenotype that results from codominance of the A and B alleles. Of course, in this system, AB is not the only heterozygote; people may also be AO or BO. All of these heterozygote genotypes demonstrate the coexistence of two phenotypes within the same individual.




Overdominance


In some instances, offspring can demonstrate a phenotype that is outside the range defined by both parents. In particular, the phenomenon known as overdominance occurs when a heterozygote has a more extreme phenotype than that of either of its parents. Indeed, in a few examples, a trait that shows overdominance sometimes confers a survival advantage in the heterozygote (Parsons & Bodmer, 1961).
A well-known example of overdominance occurs in the alleles that code for sickle-cell anemia. Sickle-cell anemia is a debilitating disease of the red blood cells, wherein a single amino acid deletion causes a change in the conformation of a person's hemoglobin such that the person's red blood cells are elongated and somewhat curved, taking on a sickle shape. This change in shape makes the sickle red blood cells less efficient at transporting oxygen through the bloodstream.
The altered form of hemoglobin that causes sickle-cell anemia is inherited as a codominant trait. Specifically, heterozygous (Ss) individuals express both normal and sickle hemoglobin, so they have a mixture of normal and sickle red blood cells. In most situations, individuals who are heterozygous for sickle-cell anemia are phenotypically normal. Under these circumstances, sickle-cell disease is a recessive trait. Individuals who are homozygous for the sickle-cell allele (ss), however, may have sickling crises that require hospitalization. In severe cases, this condition can be lethal.
Producing altered hemoglobin can be beneficial for inhabitants of countries afflicted with falciparum malaria, an extremely deadly parasitic disease. Sickle blood cells "collapse" around the parasites and filter them out of the blood. Thus, people who carry the sickle-cell allele are more likely to recover from malarial infection. In terms of combating malaria, the Ss genotype has an advantage over both the SS genotype, because it results in malarial resistance, and the ss genotype, because it does not cause sickling crises. This complex example of overdominance may be the sole reason that the allele persists in the human population today (Keeton & Gould, 1986).




Multiple Alleles and Dominance Series


Allelic dominance always depends on the relative influence of each allele for a specific phenotype under certain environmental conditions. For example, in the pea plant (Pisum sativum), the timing of flowering follows a monohybrid (single-gene) inheritance pattern in certain genetic backgrounds. While there is some variation in the exact time of flowering within plants that have the same genotype, specific alleles at this locus (Lf) can exert temporal control of flowering in different backgrounds (Murfet, 1975). Investigators have found evidence for four different alleles at this locus: Lfd, Lf, lf,and lfa. Plants homozygous for the lfa allele flower the earliest, while Lfd plants flower the latest. A single allele causes the delayed flowering. Thus, the multiple alleles at the Lf locus represent an allelic series, with each allele being dominant over the next allele in the series. In this case: Lfd > Lf > lf > lfa (Table 2).
Table 2: Flowering Times in Pisum sativum with Different Lf Alleles
Genotype Earliest Flowering Early Intermediate Flowering Late Intermediate Flowering Latest Flowering Lf Lf + Lfd Lfd + Lfd Lf + lfa lfa + lf lf + lf lfa + Lf lfa +



Summarizing the Role of Dominance and Recessivity


Mendel's early work with pea plants provided the foundational knowledge for genetics, but Mendel's simple example of two alleles, one dominant and one recessive, for a given gene is a rarity. In fact, dominance and recessiveness are not actually allelic properties. Rather, they are effects that can only be measured in relation to the effects of other alleles at the same locus. Furthermore, dominance may change according to the level of organization of the phenotype. Variations of dominance highlight the complexity of understanding genetic influences on phenotypes.
 
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i think stitch use some sort of hungarian ruderalis if i remember corect ,
like cres sey selecting for generation you end up with bigger pheno's i dith it with mine autoflowering Haze;s breed way from the lowryder, crossing in more haze
but breed back to lowryder base strain you get the lowryder gen back i think
the thing with auto strain X photo strain its not so black and white i breed too diesel strains and blueberry strains with mine autoflowering haze and get fully autoflowering in f1 and i breed few DJ 's Blueberry strains that show 100% autoflowering in a photo strain so cannabis have lots of things in there genetics sorry guy's for mine bad english i cant explane mine zelf keep up the good info
 
Oh ok Cres that was a clear answer!

Dutch Passion has labs, so it's easy for them to turn round plants fast in large numbers and perfect conditions and pick the biggest pheno's and latest pheno's. the plants all have the same pots, the same light, 1000 seedlings per room, so they can deffo find a gene combo that is abit bigger, or abit later.

Stitch is an afficionado, and if he has plants much bigger than all the dutch breeders, then he must have got a very good new ruderalis variety. He says that it was from Czech / Hungary, it's the parent of all the super auto's.

So this suggests that nature has had time to adapt auto ganja to different climage zones, so we have different auto gene varieties available from the wild. it also suggests that some of the normal auto genes are quite stubborn, they dont get as late as super auto's even after 10 generations of selection.

i didn't see much difference in between think different, DP's largest auto, and lowryder 2, that was made a long time earlier, in terms of lateness. like it started flowering about as fast, and then instead of making 2-10-30-50 flowers on successive nodes, it was making 2-3-6-16, so just flowering slower. and super auto was like 1,0,1,2,4,6,8, on every next node.

Alot of the size difference in auto varieties comes from genes that are not related to the flower timing... Lowryder1 had pheno's that were literally 1 thumb tall, crazy! its a super micro plant that grows slowly. so it took many generations to select very big fast growing plants with lowryder genetics.

perhaps that is some of the reason why it seems auto's can get bigger and later flowering, it's because the more the ruderalis genes are diluted the better.

"dutch passion and stitch arent going to reveal their breeding methods" ...

I dunno about that! stitch told us a very believable story of his source of ruderalis. And it's fair to presume that many companies tried breeding AF with very late flowering sativa's, and that may be the reason for the slow down in flowering from dutch passion, which is still much much smaller than stitch's plants.

Ok so here are some theories on why nature would make lots of different automatic varieties. I read a book once that said that there was blue green algea in the snow at the top of everest, where the wind is 300kph some days, and it's -50. Life exists everywhere that it can.
Ganja is a super powerful plant, it makes huge fields of sedative that knocks out insects and birds and makes them get eaten by other birds. so it doesnt use insects for pollination, they would be too stoned, it uses wind. the pollen has an influence zone that decreases rapidly with distance, like 100km away the pollen from one field probably just makes 10 seeds in another field. add to that that it has been kept by tribe elders for the last 30 000 years, and perhaps... the neanderthals 300 000 years ago, also kept seeds from it as they travelled. if you look at how tough ganja seeds are, that is a seed that is made to go through a bird or a deer, that's partly what it's designed for. in ruderalis and in sativa and indicas.


How does ganja propagate itself around the world, including automatics etc? we would have to look at fossilized ganja plants to know how long the plant took to go from asia to africa. perhaps humans brought it to america. it needs animals to distribute it's spawn, otherwise, using rivers and rolling, the seeds would only roll 10-20 meters every year. In a herbivore's stomach, or a crow, a ganja patch can appear 10, even 100 kilometers away from the first one.

Let us say that cannabis has had the opportunity to spread around the world many times in the last million years, it has been through many ice ages, and it would make sends for the plant to have a safeguard gene so it can make populations of plants in temperate climates, and it can survive ice ages in the tropics, when europe had snow 1 km high in everywhere... check your garden, if it has clay in it, that clay probably arrived there on 1km high glaciers.

Cannabis is always under pressure to flower earlier, to flower later, depending on it's habitat. the more it has flexibility to adapt to warm and cool climates, the better. they say animals and plants just "randomly mutate" to adapt, but they actually fine tune very useful bodyform and function things like long arms, skin color, reproduction age, so they have stocks of all kinds of dormant genes available to be re-used from the past at any time. some people are born with dog hair on face and small tail at the back, it's carefully timed mutations. evolution has had 300million years to just make many useful variations that fast arise from one species, as flexibly as possible.

The auto gene is clearly a very useful for the plant to survive ice ages, to live in cooler climates. At all times in the past there must have been places where cannabis would have benefited from flowering earlier, so it's a very important gene that stops cannabis being vulnerable to inflexibility. The auto gene can travel on the wind for 5000 miles from one country to another, and save a population that is threatened by an early monsoon or an ice age, given enough time.

Auto's can pollinate big tropical affie ladies, but they will disadvantage the ladies progeny because the ladies want the biggest seed producing offspring, and a plant that can grow 2 meters tall has alot of advantage over other plants, it makes a kilo of pollen too. so auto gene can't compete unless the plant is challenged by early winters. in that case, auto gene wins and makes lots of auto plants. so over the last million years, the auto gene can be programmed to reappear whenever, same as hair on face in humans, because it's programmed in the past, and it has time to spread itself back and forth alot, and survive as a rare curiosity plant.

perhaps the reason why there isnt ruderalis all over europe and america is to do with THC going mouldy so much. in wet winters, if the plant has high thc, it goes mouldy, so only low thc plants survive, which cant protect themselves agains birds and deer. ganja's main strength in the wild is it's thc. that's why its a rare curiosity plant. in the temperate and maritime regions it is vulnerable to birds and mold, cows eat them in one munch. that is why stitch found his rudy in Czech republic, it's hot in summer, far from the ocean so no mould, the north wind from russia is not that humid. so it's a late flowering rudy... i'd love to know what its ecological niche is, in open fields, forest edges, grazing lands meadows, windy mountains.

BTW deos anyone have some of the original lowryder1 seeds? i have some and they have alot of 3 leaves, and the aroma is like pine nuts and weird almonds. they are old though i've had say 20 "orgnl lrdr" in a cellotaped packet for years. They aren't worth jack except for curiousity. who else has some??!? JD must have kept some and MDanzig.
 
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hedgeraider, I think you're giving the auto gene too much credit and confusing the auto gene with the genes that control the size and shape of the plant. Just because the first generations of autos were all small plants doesn't mean the auto gene had anything to do with that. The breeders of those first auto hybrids could have put in a bit more work and made larger auto plants using only lowryder as the auto source. They just would have had to done some more work back crossing to the larger photo and stabilizing the auto, multiple times. But that would've also increased the growing time and at that time the ultra short life cycle was part of the selling point.

Also not all new, larger autos are grown with different ruderalis. Many are made with the lowryder but they were bred like I said above, where the breeder did a large number of back crosses to the larger photo and thats why alot of autos went from 60 days to 90+.
 
I had an interesting conversation with a historian at a medieval heritage site a few months back. He mentioned that hemp residue was present in many pots and artefacts found on the site, dating back to the 1300's. He explained that hemp growing was widespread in England and France during the medieval period, with the earliest records of hemp usage in England, dating all the way back to the 900's AD.

What particularly caught my attention, was that the English hemp farmers would apparently plant their crops in May and then harvest in August. So that would be about 3 months from seed to harvest. To my knowledge, normal hemp takes around 4-5 months to finish, in late September/early October, when sown in May. So the hemp they were growing in medieval times was a lot earlier finishing than traditional 'hemp' that we know of today. He also said that it was eaten and bathed in for psychedelic purposes and used as a method of relaxation, or for rituals. In which case it must have had a higher % of THC than the hemp we see today which averages a paltry 0.3% THC. This makes me think that it wasn't 'hemp' that they were consuming in medieval times, but in fact ruderalis cannabis, due to how early it was being harvested.

I suspect the ruderalis variation made it's way from eastern Europe/Russia to western Europe around 750AD with more and more people growing it and using it, with it's usage peaking around 1400AD. People clearly knew of the psychoactive properties of this plant, and it was being harvested far earlier than tradition hemp or photoperiod cannabis plants, which almost certainly would confirm it to be ruderalis. Perhaps it was selectively bred by medieval people to create more potent plants as well. They must have been on to something. And since ruderalis is said to originate in eastern Europe/Russia, it's far more likely that the people of western Europe were consuming ruderalis than traditional cannabis Indica or Sativa.

But it looks like hemp production increased dramatically across western Europe in the 1500's, for it's material usage. Perhaps it cross bred with, and contaminated, the ruderalis gene pool making less potent plants, so people stopped consuming it. This would explain why the residue found in pots and artefacts is almost exclusively between 1200 - 1550, before it's consumption dropped dramatically. William Shakespeare's pipe was one of the latest dated artefacts to contain this 'hemp' residue before it almost stopped being consumed completely around 1600. And this would coincide with the large increase in the production of actual hemp, for it's material use, with hemp farming growing dramatically in the 1600's and lasting well into the 19th century.

If I didn't know any better, I would say that ruderalis was widespread in Europe at one time and used recreationally. Possibly interbred with photoperiod cannabis? But the increase in actual hemp farming caused it to lose it's potency and for it to be displaced. I think cannabis ruderalis has been present in eastern and western Europe for a long time, possibly long before cannabis Indica/Sativa, but increased hemp farming eventually displaced it. Leaving the remaining ruderalis plants in Russia where hemp farming was not common. Just a theory though. Or maybe I have been smoking too much... :smoking:
 
I remember back in the day on some old forum where a Russian guy posted pictures of some giant local wild cannabis they had, and it was ruderalis. Looked some some whispy 2 metre tall haze.

I believe the region was Altaia, which is part of Kazakhstan etc.

Also heard about a full auto back in the day from Asia named Bangkok Betty. Likewise I've heard of auto Iranian strains.
 
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