I was just going to ask the same thing!
And isn't Tiresias Mist just commercial STS?
And for the price, you could make gallons of colloidal silver...lol!
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I was just going to ask the same thing!
And isn't Tiresias Mist just commercial STS?
And for the price, you could make gallons of colloidal silver...lol!
mephisto
AFN Authorized Vendor
I've never used CS as everything I read and saw were people treating plants every day for several weeks.. and I just don't have the time to do that en mass.
The ingredients for sts I bought about 5 years ago, for £30 and I still have some left after making a few hundred thousand seeds now
The ingredients for sts I bought about 5 years ago, for £30 and I still have some left after making a few hundred thousand seeds now
Anthropolis
Canna Jedi in training.
Yeah my STS ingredients were about $15 I think and should be enough for years for me really. I also don't have time to do CS daily, so that's out. I'm using a 1:1 strength solution because I had a couple stubborn plants, but it burns bad at that strength. I heard 1:3 is common and doesn't burn so bad. I'm still learning 
my latest trial with reversing a Med Gom 1.0 isn't going well lol. Anyway, didn't mean to hijack, just trying to learn and get better at all this.
my latest trial with reversing a Med Gom 1.0 isn't going well lol. Anyway, didn't mean to hijack, just trying to learn and get better at all this. 
So reverse is done when you wish to set a phenotype and lock the desired characteristic as much as possible? Is there usualy a progression of reverses over say four or five generations? How many generations past aquiring a phenotype do you bred before releasing seeds for that particular hybrid/variety to the public?
I got my scope. Thank you so very much for your time and knowledge. I realize there may be some trade secrets you wish to withold so please feel free to disregard any or all of this message. I see plenty of people swear by your beans. I will have to pick up some especially since they are on sale.
I got my scope. Thank you so very much for your time and knowledge. I realize there may be some trade secrets you wish to withold so please feel free to disregard any or all of this message. I see plenty of people swear by your beans. I will have to pick up some especially since they are on sale.
mephisto
AFN Authorized Vendor
Sorry dude you misunderstand, The reversal of females is only done to make feminised seeds. We breed generations f1-f3 as regular stock, then when we make f4 seeds and onwards we feminise.
We make all of our strains from scratch, beginning with a photoperiod and an autoflower as parents, then it takes 4 generations to make the autoflowering trait stable, that's when we release our seeds. we don't ever have enormous stock levels so once the amount of seeds for sale starts to get low, we then make more and inbreed for another generation whilst doing it, which is what we are doing in the photo above.
We are making more auto blues, which will be f5 feminised seeds.
Hope that makes sense?
cheers, mitch
We make all of our strains from scratch, beginning with a photoperiod and an autoflower as parents, then it takes 4 generations to make the autoflowering trait stable, that's when we release our seeds. we don't ever have enormous stock levels so once the amount of seeds for sale starts to get low, we then make more and inbreed for another generation whilst doing it, which is what we are doing in the photo above.
We are making more auto blues, which will be f5 feminised seeds.
Hope that makes sense?
cheers, mitch
Oh that makes sense. Now I think I am going to show just how ignorant I am regarding autos; Why are almost all of the autos feminized? I mean I can see how it would be attractive to purchase almost all females from the grower's point of view and I can see that the seed company wants to continue selling seeds so really it is a win-win scenario. But I think there has to be a strictly biological reason. Thanks again Mitch for your knowledge and time. I get the nagging feeling I am missing something significant that has a pervasive influence on how autos behave.
Trapper
Rocky Mountain...High
Feminizing plants is an action taken by the breeder specifically to produce all female seeds. (Reversal/Selfing)
It's forcing the plant to impregnate itself, and since it only has female data present, that's all it can produce
(unless it goes hermaphrodite - which is a whole different ball of wax)
I have that right, right?
But photo and auto breeders feminize their offerings because that's what the consumer (for the most part)
desires. Unless you plan to breed, there's no sense in wasting time (and materials) on males.
Knowing that you're going to get a female plant allows for better planning and efficiency.
And, as you identified, breeders don't mind people growing from purchased seeds rather than taking
clones or doing there own pollen chucking/seed runs with regular non-feminized. (M's and F's).
Now, with the auto, cloning is impossible because every auto flowering plant, once begun is on a
game clock that has "x" amount of time and cannot be reset...the genetic timer is on. So taking
clippings and planting them just means planting a clipping that is exactly as old as the plant that
donated it. So autos are grown from seed, period...no other option and the same consumer desires
continue to apply.
I guess the biological reason for wanting females is that they are the ones that flower w/o seeds
Did I address what needed explaining? Or did I misinterpret the confusion?
Hope it was helpful
It's forcing the plant to impregnate itself, and since it only has female data present, that's all it can produce
(unless it goes hermaphrodite - which is a whole different ball of wax)
I have that right, right?
But photo and auto breeders feminize their offerings because that's what the consumer (for the most part)
desires. Unless you plan to breed, there's no sense in wasting time (and materials) on males.
Knowing that you're going to get a female plant allows for better planning and efficiency.
And, as you identified, breeders don't mind people growing from purchased seeds rather than taking
clones or doing there own pollen chucking/seed runs with regular non-feminized. (M's and F's).
Now, with the auto, cloning is impossible because every auto flowering plant, once begun is on a
game clock that has "x" amount of time and cannot be reset...the genetic timer is on. So taking
clippings and planting them just means planting a clipping that is exactly as old as the plant that
donated it. So autos are grown from seed, period...no other option and the same consumer desires
continue to apply.
I guess the biological reason for wanting females is that they are the ones that flower w/o seeds
Did I address what needed explaining? Or did I misinterpret the confusion?
Hope it was helpful
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greenjeans
Hydroponic Heretic
Because the boys go in the trash can. Unless you are trying to grow bud fulls of seed. You want girls, and only girls if you are growing to smoke them. Ever bought a bag that was 75%seeds? Yeah, that's because somebody didn't put the boys in the trash can.
Trapper you are as clear as crystal thanks. So the presence of a predetermined lifecycle also means a scrog grow should be a lst grow where the main stalk is bent at a near 45 degree angle to foster the release of auxins into the secondary stems.Unlike a photo scrog where the main top is pinched to achieve a candelabra shape. That being said, wouldn't it make sense to start training the main stalk when it is as pliable as possible, yet mature enough to have secondary stems, say the 3rd week after sprouting? I'm thinking I will use a wire bent in a loop and anchored in the medium.
Trapper
Rocky Mountain...High
Yup, people go further than 45º I think, and yeah, that early or a lot of folks just LST the secondaries to promote out and up to fill the screen.
Most folks will advise that you not "top" autos but some have had success (including myself) with fimming.
Most folks will advise that you not "top" autos but some have had success (including myself) with fimming.
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