Tent Questions

Hi all...I didn't see anything specific on tent set ups and so forth...

So I'm going to sticky this thread for any questions and answers that you members with tents, can answer...

Also, if you have any pics of how your tent is set up, please post them...Pictures say a 1000 words...:thumbs:
Basically, as far as pics go, mostly looking for how yours is set up...Not so much about the plants...

Thanks for your cooperation and I hope this thread gets the attention that new tent buyers, like myself, can gain some info...:peace:
 
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@Fuggzy -

"This vent you have going to the window, what are the exact dimensions? It is important there is no resistance on your air flow. It could cause problems like higher heat levels, carbon filters not working, and general low air circulation."

Answer: From my inline fan, i have a 6ft 4" diameter duct, which is crinkled up to about 3 feet to exit the tent. It attaches to another 4" duct that is about 9 feet long to the window. I could def shorten this duct. Please see the pictures I have attached it my explanation is not good of the setup

"If returning this and getting something different is a reality, I'd be happy to help you find an affordable air cooled system. Maybe $20-40 more with a digital ballast, which will also reduce heat. "
Answer: I def would be interested in some help finding air cooled. Link me with something nice and ill buy it. Not to expensive i hope but if its what I need I want to do it right. I am getting a 400W MH 6500K bulb in the mail tomorrow from HTG. I wanted to use this instead of all the CFL's for veg. Then when I switch to flower I was going to put just a few CFL's around the plants with my HPS bulb. At least that was the plan.

"Try taking this, attaching it to the cfl fixture, and blowing it across the bulbs. To go with the thermal dissipation, by blowing the air on the bulbs it helps keep heat from pooling right around the lights."
Answer: This would be tough to do because i just have them hanging by an extension cord above the pots. I do however have the Oscillating fan aimed directly at all 3 of the hanging light bulb sets. Not sure if that is doing anything though.

"Where is the tent located? In a closet, open room (bigger than closet), basement? I personally am in a closet that measures 7' square'ish. The closet was getting a bit hot, so I ran 6" (4" for you) ducts from the circular holes out of my tent, and in to the hall the closet is in. This allowed me to direct cool air from the AC to the intake ducts. I have sense changed that idea, but it worked pretty good."
Answer: I am in a 10 x 15 foot Open room, with nothing else in it besides the tent.

"Heat is heat my friend, nothing you can do but get rid of it. How many watts are you using?"
Answer: 2x 42W bulbs over one pot, 2x 42w+1x23w over two pots that are next to eachother, and in the corner 1x42w + 1x13w. So all together 246W of CFL. These are the actual watts not the equivalent rating.

"This is a good temp. Can you get a reading of the actual air entering you tent, like in the actual vent."
Answer: 74.2F it looks like, i think because the fan blows the air around it might be raising the actual temp alil where i tried to take the reading. The room the tent is in right now is 71.4F




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@Anthropolis

Let me think about it for a moment, and I'll see if I can round up anyone maybe better at tent issues.

One thing that could definitely help is, they make these tubes that contains your HPS bulb, they're called Cool Tubes or some variation of that name. It's a different reflector kit that would allow you to draw air right through the lamp and then out the window. Yeah it technically makes more heat, but it takes almost all that heat out, where now the heat from the cfl's seems to be adding up too much in the tent.

Answer: Yeah man, i am a complete beginner with just about 40 hours or pre-research into doing all this. I bought the Kit from HTG, thinking they would have gave me the best shit i could get. Come to find out the reflector doesnt even have an option to attach anything to it to cool. Figures. Unfort. I threw away all the boxes already, not sure if they would accept the return with it. But, like i said to Fuggzy, If i have to buy another reflector etc to do this right that's what i'm going to have to do.



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@Duggy
@brownie420 you are running over 250w of light which will produce quite a bit of heat. You could try adfing a clip on fan to blow upward across the lights to help push the hot air out which may improve airflow. Is there noticeable negative pressure ie. tent sides sucking in..?
:pass:
Answer: I have the oscillating fan blowing across where they hang down. I know its not ideal, i originally had the cfl's with reflectors but it was like MOLTEN HOT under the reflector dome so i took them off and let them just hang above the plants.
The tent does suck inward when I close the main entrance and zip it up, the fan inside blows on the walls and i can see it form its regular shape then get sucked back in. So I'm almost 100% positive that's a yes to the neg. pressure.

You can try add flexible ducting to the 4" vents to prevent light leaks..:thumbsup:

Answer: I got some extra flex 4" duct. I wasn't sure if that would make the flow of air coming in crappier so i never did it. Once i get the temperatures down a bit I will make it so no light can escape for sure!
Should I be opening the rectangular mesh vent at the bottom in between the two 4" corners ones? I put 2 small fans blowing the house air in to see if it would drop the temp any :/

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@budelee
Hey @brownie420 is the exhaust flap and intake flap opened on the same side of the tent..if that makes sense..the "flaps/ports" should be at opposite corners/sides...prolly not that easy huh.just a thought...
Answer: The hot air is expelled through the top left hole ontop of the tent that goes window. I have only been using the bottom right hole as the way air gets inside. But today i tried to also open up the middle wierd rectanglur mesh one in the middle to see if it would help. Then i put two small fans outside blowing in. I was completely out of ideas and panicking so i gave it a try :(


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@Anthropolis
Ah, great tips! Just realized those are 42w cfls, they're definitely going to make some heat! If it's getting bad, you can always take two out for a day and see if it helps. I might even also just try for a few hours, taking all the cfls out and firing up the hps. There's a small chance it could possibly make the tent less hot, since the hps ballast sits outside the tent, whereas the cfls have their ballasts built in and that's what makes a lot of the cfl heat. But I'd be sure to be there and check up on it just in case I'm way wrong.

Answer: I actually had 3 42w CFLS at first over each potted plant... so 9 total. 378W.. I was trying to match the 400w MH. Not sure if that's how it works but I read as long as it doesnt burn the plants or bleach them it would be okay to use lots of CFL, So i bought 10 for 100 bucks to get used to growing. I ordered a 400w MH 6500k bulb which should come tomorrow. I would remove all the cfls and just use that, until flower where i would switch to HPS and throw a few cfls around the plant. But that's so far away at this point before i do a serious grow i need to get the heat situation handled, and fix my equipment to get air cooled hood etc.





Guys... I just wanted to say thank you soooooooooooo freaking much for all the fast support, knowledge and just plain awesomeness. This site has been so good to me, the community is fantastic. So supportive of us newbies.
Thank you for your continued support everyone and the replies once again!

-Brownie


I attached some pictures below sorry for the lighting in the room its dark outside right now. Also notice the temp is down to 83-84, that is because i had the doors to it completely opened for 5 minutes while I took photos. Once its closed up it will go back up in temp.
 

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Sorry i couldnt be much help @brownie420 ,there are many DIY ideas to inject/input cold air that might help,we have a diy section and youtube is full of ideas,,heat is the reason i open grow( no tents)...good karma and keep us posted,when you find the "fix" someone else may need that info...peace
 
@Trapper

Did you take the plastic sleeve off the carbon filter? some have them in between the pre-filter sleeve and the carbon filter itself. Keeps the carbon particles in place.

When you hold your hand to the exhaust exit, do you feel a good breeze?

I feel like my flower spectrum CFLs (3200K) put out more heat than my
veg spectrum ones (5500K-6500K)

Hey Trapper thanks for the reply man! I did take off the plastic sleeve on the carbon filter before assembly thankfully! If I take off the pipe that connects to the window i feel air coming out. Not sure how powerful it should be... but it can blow a piece of paper up in the air. Good call though, because when i was taking it out of the box I remember double looking at it and bein like thank god i saw this lol.



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@stepside

You should attach the fan directly to the filter and that would get rid of some drag on your fan. Keep your ducting as straight an short as you can.

This is something I have also seen suggestions about while reading on the web and on these forums. I am for sure going to try this tomorrow. Also, I can most def. cut some of the duct going from on top of the tent to the window. Looking at it now there is no reason to have the extra 3 feet just drooping behind there. When I originally put it in I was more worried about assembly inside the tent. I felt air blowing through it so I figured it was working. Thanks for the help brotha, im sure this will help some as well.
 
Responding like a pro brother! :D Crap thats some good answering, have a rep slap to help get things moving.
:slap:
Okay this is a lot of info to go through. I'm switching back in to color mode! It's just so much more fun!!!
@Fuggzy -

"This vent you have going to the window, what are the exact dimensions? It is important there is no resistance on your air flow. It could cause problems like higher heat levels, carbon filters not working, and general low air circulation."

Answer: From my inline fan, i have a 6ft 4" diameter duct, which is crinkled up to about 3 feet to exit the tent. It attaches to another 4" duct that is about 9 feet long to the window. I could def shorten this duct. Please see the pictures I have attached it my explanation is not good of the setup
Yes it would help to shorten this ducting. Is the adapter in the window a 4" fitting? If so it should not be adding any extra resistance, and thats good. However you mentioned a 2" block of foam. What is the dimensions of the actual end of the ducting? If it is only 2"x 4" that might be your problem. (170 cfm should do more than just blow a piece of paper around. It should thrash it around violently, thats a good amount of air to be blowing around) With air the least amount of turbulence the better. Try to make the ducting as direct/straight as you can, and typically, unless making a light trap, you want to use the least amount of ducting to reach the destination. Do you have a fan speed controller? When you place your hands on the filter, can you feel it sucking air in between you fingers?

"If returning this and getting something different is a reality, I'd be happy to help you find an affordable air cooled system. Maybe $20-40 more with a digital ballast, which will also reduce heat. "
Answer: I def would be interested in some help finding air cooled. Link me with something nice and ill buy it. Not to expensive i hope but if its what I need I want to do it right. I am getting a 400W MH 6500K bulb in the mail tomorrow from HTG. I wanted to use this instead of all the CFL's for veg. Then when I switch to flower I was going to put just a few CFL's around the plants with my HPS bulb. At least that was the plan.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I am about 95% sure you have a HPs ballast, and it will not run a MH light. You need a digital ballast capable of running both, magnetic ballast run one or the other. (I could be wrong, I've only owned 1 ballast and it was/is digital) We are not able to link amazon here, but go there and look up
"VIVOSUN Hydroponic 600 Watt HPS MH Grow Light"
This is the HPS/MH combo I have. and it should be the top result, costing $158. Being you already got rid of the boxes, maybe just a cool tube like @Trapper suggested would be better. (Still contact HTG, you never know what they'll say) So for a cool tube, I have purchased one from IPower on amazon, it was a 6" tube, and cost me like $39 on sale, it is currently $46. I did a search on 4" cool tubes and came up short, but a 6" tube would give you the same results.

"Try taking this, attaching it to the cfl fixture, and blowing it across the bulbs. To go with the thermal dissipation, by blowing the air on the bulbs it helps keep heat from pooling right around the lights."
Answer: This would be tough to do because i just have them hanging by an extension cord above the pots. I do however have the Oscillating fan aimed directly at all 3 of the hanging light bulb sets. Not sure if that is doing anything though.
Alright looking at the pics, you more or less are getting this effect already. As long as there is air moving on/around the bulbs your fine. That clip on fan might do you better at ground level pointing up, blowing the hot air up faster. I think @Duggy mentioned this already.

"Where is the tent located? In a closet, open room (bigger than closet), basement? I personally am in a closet that measures 7' square'ish. The closet was getting a bit hot, so I ran 6" (4" for you) ducts from the circular holes out of my tent, and in to the hall the closet is in. This allowed me to direct cool air from the AC to the intake ducts. I have sense changed that idea, but it worked pretty good."
Answer: I am in a 10 x 15 foot Open room, with nothing else in it besides the tent.
Just to let you know bud, if it ever get to hot, and you panic, you can open the tent. As long as it's lights on (when you'll have most heat issues) there will be no problems messing up the light cycle. It obviously would totalaly negate the carbon filter, but if you are in a "safe" time, it will help with the temps. It's not desirable, but if you need to vent that heat, it works.
So I am sure there is an AC vent in the room, is it pointing at the tent by chance? Any way to direct more cold air that way? Even a fan in the next room blowing that way could help a bit.

"Heat is heat my friend, nothing you can do but get rid of it. How many watts are you using?"
Answer: 2x 42W bulbs over one pot, 2x 42w+1x23w over two pots that are next to eachother, and in the corner 1x42w + 1x13w. So all together 246W of CFL. These are the actual watts not the equivalent rating.
I would try what @Trapper suggested by removing a couple bulbs and seeing what the temp change is. Also you could try to run the light over night. It's a bit of a pain for working in the tent mid day, but it does help and can be a LOT of help. Also try directing you blinds to go the other direction. I had a tent in front of a window once, and during high noon, the sun beamed directly through my window and heated my tent.

"This is a good temp. Can you get a reading of the actual air entering you tent, like in the actual vent."
Answer: 74.2F it looks like, i think because the fan blows the air around it might be raising the actual temp alil where i tried to take the reading. The room the tent is in right now is 71.4F
In general that looks pretty good too. I would guess the problem is after your intake. Anytime you can make the intake cooler the better, but that temps is cooler than my house, and I don't have the internal temps your fighting. (I use different lights, but at over twice the wattage and space...) What sate are you in? You do not have to answer that if you do not want to. I just ask cause I am in FL and brother, it's freaking hot here. Indoors or not, outside temps WILL affect your inside temps.
If I missed any questions just let me know bud. Your right about this place too. The community really pulls together for one another. Some of the best chaps you'll find are right here. Learn everything you can, and one day you too will be answering questions. Remember, every single one of us started as a newbie too bud. Just don't get frusterated, and you'll be fine. Talk with you later bud.
 
Yoooo @Fuggzy

Thank you for another fast response! Here is what I just did this morning.

"Yes it would help to shorten this ducting. Is the adapter in the window a 4" fitting? If so it should not be adding any extra resistance, and thats good. However you mentioned a 2" block of foam. What is the dimensions of the actual end of the ducting? If it is only 2"x 4" that might be your problem. (170 cfm should do more than just blow a piece of paper around. It should thrash it around violently, thats a good amount of air to be blowing around) With air the least amount of turbulence the better. Try to make the ducting as direct/straight as you can, and typically, unless making a light trap, you want to use the least amount of ducting to reach the destination. Do you have a fan speed controller? When you place your hands on the filter, can you feel it sucking air in between you fingers?"

Answer:
This morning i took off just about 6 feet of ducting. So, it reaches the window exit very nice and snug now. I made it as straight as possible. All duct is 4". When the duct reaches the foam in the window, it connects to one of these
IMPERIAL 6-in Galvanized Steel Airtight Adhesive Duct - But the 4" model - i just used that link to show you what it looks like but its a 4" in my actual foam insulation. That larger round circle par sits on the outside of the foam insulation. I pushed it through from the outside so its flush on the outside facing insulation - the 4" duct goes through the insulation and into the house where i attached the exhaust from the in-line.
Now Fuggzy, when I removed all the ducts to rework and move everything i left the 4" in-line turned on to feel what the actual air coming out of it felt like on my hands and how strong it was. Then after all was connected, it felt almost identical at the end where it comes out the window. I also made sure there was no leaks and tight clamps. So i think I'm as good as I can be with the equipment I have setup atm. I do not have a fan controller though, do you think the fan is running at a certain % off from factory and not 100%? Because it def. is not throwing around the 4" light flexible duct, i mean the duct moves a tiny bit but like i said it felt almost the exact same as right off the inline as it did where it came out toward the window. Should i get a fan speed controller? When i place my hands on the filter, to be honest, i can barely feel the air being sucked through. I'm not sure how intense the air should feel going in there, i did feel a slight cool sensation between my fingers. I feel like that cotton-like filter thing that goes over it reduces what i feel on my fingers. It might have just been because the oscillating fans were running or something below and interfering with my diagnosis , i can always double check and turn off everything but the inline and get back to you on that if needed.


"I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I am about 95% sure you have a HPs ballast, and it will not run a MH light. You need a digital ballast capable of running both, magnetic ballast run one or the other. (I could be wrong, I've only owned 1 ballast and it was/is digital) We are not able to link amazon here, but go there and look up
"VIVOSUN Hydroponic 600 Watt HPS MH Grow Light" This is the HPS/MH combo I have. and it should be the top result, costing $158. Being you already got rid of the boxes, maybe just a cool tube like @Trapper suggested would be better. (Still contact HTG, you never know what they'll say) So for a cool tube, I have purchased one from IPower on amazon, it was a 6" tube, and cost me like $39 on sale, it is currently $46. I did a search on 4" cool tubes and came up short, but a 6" tube would give you the same results."

Answer:
I had to get a conversion bulb to use with my setup from what the guy at HTG said on the phone - AgroMax 400 Watt Metal Halide Conversion Bulb. I found the combo when searching amazon that you use and bookmarked it. Once HTG opens today I will call and ask them if i can return it without the box if I upgrade to something else maybe they will let me who knows. If not ill have to just get a new one and bite the bullet for my own mistake of not researching more into it. I took a leap of faith and thought that they would include the proper stuff in their kits... silly me :(

"Just to let you know bud, if it ever get to hot, and you panic, you can open the tent. As long as it's lights on (when you'll have most heat issues) there will be no problems messing up the light cycle. It obviously would totalaly negate the carbon filter, but if you are in a "safe" time, it will help with the temps. It's not desirable, but if you need to vent that heat, it works.
So I am sure there is an AC vent in the room, is it pointing at the tent by chance? Any way to direct more cold air that way? Even a fan in the next room blowing that way could help a bit."

Answer: Yeah the A/C vent is on the ceiling in that room. I moved the grating on the a/c to face the top/back of the tent. I also have a bigger oscillating fan that I positioned to stay stationary pushing more air behind the tent in hopes to throw some of that fresh A/C vented air directly at the back where it would get sucked into the passive air hole of the tent.

"I would try what @Trapper suggested by removing a couple bulbs and seeing what the temp change is. Also you could try to run the light over night. It's a bit of a pain for working in the tent mid day, but it does help and can be a LOT of help. Also try directing you blinds to go the other direction. I had a tent in front of a window once, and during high noon, the sun beamed directly through my window and heated my tent."

Answer: I removed a few bulbs before lights on this morning. I now have 2 42W over 1 pot, 2 42w over 2 pots (1 on each) and 1 42w in the corner over another 2. So I was at 246W total yesterday, and i reduced it to 210W. I will monitor it today and see if it helped. I should also mention I do have access to 4x 13W 6500k, or 8x 23W 6500k spiral bulbs. I'm not sure if just those 42W are creating a bunch of heat and using 2x 23w bulbs to replace one 42w would do anything? I also made all the blinds facing the opposite direction like you said so the light cannot just shine down into the cracks.

Btw the temperature outside my house is 87-100F everyday. Pretty damn hot. My house is a new build and has really nice insulation though and energy eff. all that stuff. When i walk into the room my tent is in it's pretty cold @ 70-71F. Not sure about radiant heat but if i were to say sleep in there for an hour my hands and feet without socks would be cold.


Thank you again for keeping up with me on this issue! So much appreciation man, really. I will monitor the temps today after making all the changes I listed above and repost later on to see if anything improved. Also going to call HTG and see if they can do anything.

-Brownie
 
Hey Guys,

I have a Gorilla 2x4 tent and a Kind K3 L600 Led light setup. I am planning on getting a fan for the setup now. The one I have my eyes on is a Prima Klima 125 EC-TC 680m3 and a Rhino filter 680m3. I know the fan m3 is way too big for the tent but the fan has temp meter and speed adjustment. I can have the fan running on 10-20% really quietly(no "humming" from lower fan speeds.) and if the temp goes up it will gradually start running faster, this way the setup should be really quiet. The rhino filter is 500mm which is large but it should all fit in my tent if I attach the filter straight to the fan :D

The thing I dont like with smaller fans is that they will run at full speed with lots of noise or have speed adjustment but on lower speeds they have that loud "humming" noise.

I guess my question is, do you guys with experience see any problems with this setup?
 
Given the speed controller your set up sounds fine.
Maybe if your not sleeping in the same room as a small fan with hum its nnot usually a problem.:pighug:
 
Thanks archie,
I acctually found a company that make transformers with temp and step controll for fans. This means I can get a smaller fan and not have the humming issue :) I might get a Can-Fan that blows 340m3/h instead. I think that might be a bit better for the tent, the filter is only 30cm for that setup.
 
slightly smaller fan/filter should save a few pennies to
:pighug:
 

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