Photoperiod Subtropical perpetual outdoor guerilla grow with Connoisseur Genetics: crosses of Neville's Haze, Thai, SSSDHaze, Mullumbimby, Kariba
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Spring-Summer Grow Begins -- Maria among the Hazes!
Day 86
Ten days since the last update.
Apart from a few drops, there has been no rain, so no watering at all.
I knew they were going to be thirsty, just a question of how thirsty (still alive??)
The May rains went a little later this year, into early June.
But after that, straight into the hot zone, daily temps about 27C-33C give or take.
Before the plants, so bat-cave pics:
And here's some bat guano, for @Mitsuharu and friends.
It's mainly building up in neat little lines under their roosting areas.
Could easily scoop up a kilo or two with the right device, like a cut-away bottle or something.
Arriving at the garden, yes, they are thirsty!!
Here's what they looked like on site, with the pots very, very light.
Leaves drooping, many leaves brown or yellowing.
But they're definitely still alive, and even picked up within 30 minutes or so on site after watering.
Left pot: Two revegging SSSTN (sticky and fluffy)
Middle upper pot: Younger L'n'L Jones, two Grail x ThaiFricans
Right pot: Older L'n'L Jones, revegging Grail (NLD pheno)
I quickly brought them out of the balcony, into the work area at the top of the stairs.
And immediately began watering.
They're so dry it just flows right through, so I do small amounts, wait, then some more, etc.
Left pot: Two revegging SSSTN (sticky and fluffy)
Middle pot: Younger L'n'L Jones, two Grail x ThaiFricans
Right pot: (already cut the Older L'n'L Jones), revegging Grail (NLD pheno)
I also brought a soil and top-dress to the site.
Maybe 8-10 liters of potting mix (peat, coir, perlite mix), plus organic amendments, kelp powder, myccos, dolomite lime, and something else that was sitting around the bottom of my garden box at home.
The media levels in the pots, especially the re-vegging pots, was slowly going down, so now the pots are working at better capacity.
The more medium in the pots will also help keeping them hydrated in the summer.
This is what they looked like after watering, soil top-up, and tidying up the plants down low.
Left pot: (already cut the Older L'n'L Jones), revegging Grail (NLD pheno)
Middle pot: Younger L'n'L Jones, two Grail x ThaiFricans
Right pot: Two revegging SSSTN (sticky and fluffy)
Left pot: Older L'n'L Jones, revegging Grail (NLD pheno)
Older L'n'L Jones:
Actually, I cut the older L'n'L Jones almost immediately, and put her in the laundry bag to dry.
Ugly looking bud --- she flowered early, in the wet, was shaping up okay, then got some mold, then kind of foxtailed a bit because the light hours were increasing. Ugly bud.
So no pics!
But .... there's something to smoke there, and she's got a bunch of nice mature seeds inside her from the Grail X ThaiFrican male.
Was a nice shaped bud, and the aromas were good, so I think her children will make nice more chunky hybrid plants, compared to these sativa / haze heavy girls in the rest of the grow.
Revegging Grail (NLD pheno):
She was the most wilted, as the pot is the smallest.
She has always had fairly hard woody stems, otherwise I'd try to bend her open a bit more.
Still keeping her purple stems and petioles.
Lost a lot of leaves down low, the lower half of the plant, but a lot of that was just the older reveg growth, so not a problem.
Has a number of tops growing on her, still with short internode length.
I tidied up underneath, and this is the result:
Peace and Love,
~MJS
Day 86
Ten days since the last update.
Apart from a few drops, there has been no rain, so no watering at all.
I knew they were going to be thirsty, just a question of how thirsty (still alive??)
The May rains went a little later this year, into early June.
But after that, straight into the hot zone, daily temps about 27C-33C give or take.
Before the plants, so bat-cave pics:
And here's some bat guano, for @Mitsuharu and friends.
It's mainly building up in neat little lines under their roosting areas.
Could easily scoop up a kilo or two with the right device, like a cut-away bottle or something.
Arriving at the garden, yes, they are thirsty!!
Here's what they looked like on site, with the pots very, very light.
Leaves drooping, many leaves brown or yellowing.
But they're definitely still alive, and even picked up within 30 minutes or so on site after watering.
Left pot: Two revegging SSSTN (sticky and fluffy)
Middle upper pot: Younger L'n'L Jones, two Grail x ThaiFricans
Right pot: Older L'n'L Jones, revegging Grail (NLD pheno)
I quickly brought them out of the balcony, into the work area at the top of the stairs.
And immediately began watering.
They're so dry it just flows right through, so I do small amounts, wait, then some more, etc.
Left pot: Two revegging SSSTN (sticky and fluffy)
Middle pot: Younger L'n'L Jones, two Grail x ThaiFricans
Right pot: (already cut the Older L'n'L Jones), revegging Grail (NLD pheno)
I also brought a soil and top-dress to the site.
Maybe 8-10 liters of potting mix (peat, coir, perlite mix), plus organic amendments, kelp powder, myccos, dolomite lime, and something else that was sitting around the bottom of my garden box at home.
The media levels in the pots, especially the re-vegging pots, was slowly going down, so now the pots are working at better capacity.
The more medium in the pots will also help keeping them hydrated in the summer.
This is what they looked like after watering, soil top-up, and tidying up the plants down low.
Left pot: (already cut the Older L'n'L Jones), revegging Grail (NLD pheno)
Middle pot: Younger L'n'L Jones, two Grail x ThaiFricans
Right pot: Two revegging SSSTN (sticky and fluffy)
Left pot: Older L'n'L Jones, revegging Grail (NLD pheno)
Older L'n'L Jones:
Actually, I cut the older L'n'L Jones almost immediately, and put her in the laundry bag to dry.
Ugly looking bud --- she flowered early, in the wet, was shaping up okay, then got some mold, then kind of foxtailed a bit because the light hours were increasing. Ugly bud.
So no pics!
But .... there's something to smoke there, and she's got a bunch of nice mature seeds inside her from the Grail X ThaiFrican male.
Was a nice shaped bud, and the aromas were good, so I think her children will make nice more chunky hybrid plants, compared to these sativa / haze heavy girls in the rest of the grow.
Revegging Grail (NLD pheno):
She was the most wilted, as the pot is the smallest.
She has always had fairly hard woody stems, otherwise I'd try to bend her open a bit more.
Still keeping her purple stems and petioles.
Lost a lot of leaves down low, the lower half of the plant, but a lot of that was just the older reveg growth, so not a problem.
Has a number of tops growing on her, still with short internode length.
I tidied up underneath, and this is the result:
Peace and Love,
~MJS
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Spring-Summer Grow Begins -- Maria among the Hazes!
Day 86
Middle pot: Younger L'n'L Jones, two Grail x ThaiFricans
The three seed plants were a bit wilted, but not too bad.
I think it's more the pot size, the biggest pot, and that previously this pot only grew the ThaiFrican father and those tiny Thai Madness girls, so it still has plenty of life in it.
Back right and left are the Grail x ThaiFricans, and front center is the younger L'n'L Jones.
Lost a few leaves from the wilt, but otherwise not too bad at all!
Younger L'n'L Jones:
Is she flowering? Is she not flowering? Still uncommitted, on the cusp.
Let's wait and see!
First Grail x ThaiFrican
She didn't grow as much as I thought (feared!) over the last ten days.
Probably due to the lack of water!
But she's still growing up.
About 100 cm tall at this point, that's about 39"-40" for you Americans...
Second Grail x ThaiFrican
Her slightly shorter sister.
She's got slightly more branching.
Or, rather, her branches grow up a bit taller than the tall sister.
Otherwise, they look nearly identical.
The whole pot from above:
Completely lacking any focus, whatsoever...
I gave a little tidy up underneath, but they didn't need much.
Right pot: Two revegging SSSTN (sticky and fluffy)
These two Super Silver Sour Thai Nevil sisters were not really wilted at all.
Not sure what's in my soil in this pot, something special? Or maybe it's just them?
The pot was very light when lifted.
Not sure who is who in there, they are nearly Siamese (Thai!) twins, haha!
Their stems are more flexible, so I did some bending, opening them both up.
I didn't do a full snap / supercrop, so it will probably have minimum effect.
But you can see it from this top view:
Cleaning up underneath was fun!
Such a mess of dried out flower, little leaves, tiny re-vegging branches.
The end result was a bit better, and it'll keep the airflow going.
They can be their own mulch...
Thanks for joining me in the journey, my friends!
Peace and Love,
~MJS
Day 86
Middle pot: Younger L'n'L Jones, two Grail x ThaiFricans
The three seed plants were a bit wilted, but not too bad.
I think it's more the pot size, the biggest pot, and that previously this pot only grew the ThaiFrican father and those tiny Thai Madness girls, so it still has plenty of life in it.
Back right and left are the Grail x ThaiFricans, and front center is the younger L'n'L Jones.
Lost a few leaves from the wilt, but otherwise not too bad at all!
Younger L'n'L Jones:
Is she flowering? Is she not flowering? Still uncommitted, on the cusp.
Let's wait and see!
First Grail x ThaiFrican
She didn't grow as much as I thought (feared!) over the last ten days.
Probably due to the lack of water!
But she's still growing up.
About 100 cm tall at this point, that's about 39"-40" for you Americans...
Second Grail x ThaiFrican
Her slightly shorter sister.
She's got slightly more branching.
Or, rather, her branches grow up a bit taller than the tall sister.
Otherwise, they look nearly identical.
The whole pot from above:
Completely lacking any focus, whatsoever...
I gave a little tidy up underneath, but they didn't need much.
Right pot: Two revegging SSSTN (sticky and fluffy)
These two Super Silver Sour Thai Nevil sisters were not really wilted at all.
Not sure what's in my soil in this pot, something special? Or maybe it's just them?
The pot was very light when lifted.
Not sure who is who in there, they are nearly Siamese (Thai!) twins, haha!
Their stems are more flexible, so I did some bending, opening them both up.
I didn't do a full snap / supercrop, so it will probably have minimum effect.
But you can see it from this top view:
Cleaning up underneath was fun!
Such a mess of dried out flower, little leaves, tiny re-vegging branches.
The end result was a bit better, and it'll keep the airflow going.
They can be their own mulch...
Thanks for joining me in the journey, my friends!
Peace and Love,
~MJS
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Oh, to add:
The tallest Grail X ThaiFrican girl received a little pollen from her brother, when she first showed sex and was leaning toward flowering. As the light hours picked up, she decided not to fully flower, but I found a few rows of seeds on her main stem, about a 1/3rd way up the plant. Took them now, otherwise they'll just drop soon and possibly sprout. They are already very mature, it's been ... 6 weeks or so, I think.
16 beautiful Grail X ThaiFrican F2 seeds.
((NH18 x MM) x (NH21 x MM)) X ThaiFrican
=
((NH18 x MM) x (NH21 x MM)) X (((Hempy Thai x NH21) x NH36 rev) x (NH23 x Kariba))
All that, squared = F2.
Mostly Neville's Haze (56.25%), with a fair amount of Mullumbimby Madness (25%), a bit of Hempy's Thai (6.25%) and African Kariba (12.5%).
But, of course, being F2s of that, and the parents already being crosses, this F2 generation could show quite a range of phenotypes, from NvHz, to the Mullumbimby, the Thai and Kariba. It's all sativa, though, and I can't see anything else coming out of such an F2 cross. Both the Grail and ThaiFrican parents were fairly fast to flower, and the mother also fast to finish. Could be interesting.
Just for fun!! Keep those seed stocks going, right kids?!
The tallest Grail X ThaiFrican girl received a little pollen from her brother, when she first showed sex and was leaning toward flowering. As the light hours picked up, she decided not to fully flower, but I found a few rows of seeds on her main stem, about a 1/3rd way up the plant. Took them now, otherwise they'll just drop soon and possibly sprout. They are already very mature, it's been ... 6 weeks or so, I think.
16 beautiful Grail X ThaiFrican F2 seeds.
((NH18 x MM) x (NH21 x MM)) X ThaiFrican
=
((NH18 x MM) x (NH21 x MM)) X (((Hempy Thai x NH21) x NH36 rev) x (NH23 x Kariba))
All that, squared = F2.
Mostly Neville's Haze (56.25%), with a fair amount of Mullumbimby Madness (25%), a bit of Hempy's Thai (6.25%) and African Kariba (12.5%).
But, of course, being F2s of that, and the parents already being crosses, this F2 generation could show quite a range of phenotypes, from NvHz, to the Mullumbimby, the Thai and Kariba. It's all sativa, though, and I can't see anything else coming out of such an F2 cross. Both the Grail and ThaiFrican parents were fairly fast to flower, and the mother also fast to finish. Could be interesting.
Just for fun!! Keep those seed stocks going, right kids?!
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The pool is about 4m x 4m, and maybe 0.4m deep, about 6.4 cubic meters, 6.4 ton of water.
(Imperial, about 13' x 13', 16" deep.)
All I have to do is carry the water in a bucket up two flights of stairs.
So easy!
That's why I said this is the near perfect garden space!
But I still do need to think of ways to keep moisture in the pots.
I'm thinking, as I don't have drip trays, I may use plastic bags, putting the pot in the bag, with the sides rolled down to just give it an inch or two of depth.
When I water, let a bit of water sit there in the plastic bags as drip trays, to slowly drink over a few days.
It would mean the very bottom of the pot sits in water, not ideal, but as they're cloth pots, most of the roots aren't in the bottom anyway.
Probably should just get organized and find some actual drip trays big enough for the job!
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Spring-Summer Grow -- Maria among the Hazes!
Day 91
Busy weekend coming up, so thought better to get ahead of the watering schedule.
Five days since last visit and water, so they should be fine.
Plus they had extra soil top up from last time.
Had to go fairly early in the morning, so I took photos from another angle today.
Family pics
In their usual growing location
Back: one L'n'L Jones female (center), two female Grail (fast pheno) x ThaiFrican (back left and right)
Left side: one revegging Grail lady, NLD pheno
Right bottom: two revegging SSSTN girls, Sticky and Fluffy (looks biggest because closest to camera)
This is just the opposite side of where I normally take pics.
Some kind of freaky psychedlic fish / cat creature.
Right: two revegging SSSTN girls, Sticky and Fluffy
Middle: one L'n'L Jones female (center), two female Grail (fast pheno) x ThaiFrican (back left and right)
Left: one revegging Grail lady, NLD pheno
Two revegging SSSTN girls, Sticky and Fluffy
Pouring out the seven pointer leaves now,
Ｈas well over a dozen colas on the two together.
About 75 cm tall, 30".
One L'n'L Jones female (center), two female Grail (fast pheno) x ThaiFrican (back left and right)
The wider leaves are the L'n'L Jones, the Grail x ThaiFricans are very NLD.
Tallest Grail x ThaiFrican about 100 cm tall, 40", the other Grail x ThaiFrican about 80 cm = 32", and L'n'L Jones 70cm = 28".
One revegging Grail lady, NLD pheno
Delicate girl this one, but very pretty.
Has maybe a dozen colas on her, with seven pointer leaves now.
About 75 cm tall, 30".
Peace and Love,
~MJS
Day 91
Busy weekend coming up, so thought better to get ahead of the watering schedule.
Five days since last visit and water, so they should be fine.
Plus they had extra soil top up from last time.
Had to go fairly early in the morning, so I took photos from another angle today.
Family pics
In their usual growing location
Left side: one revegging Grail lady, NLD pheno
Right bottom: two revegging SSSTN girls, Sticky and Fluffy (looks biggest because closest to camera)
This is just the opposite side of where I normally take pics.
Some kind of freaky psychedlic fish / cat creature.
Middle: one L'n'L Jones female (center), two female Grail (fast pheno) x ThaiFrican (back left and right)
Left: one revegging Grail lady, NLD pheno
Two revegging SSSTN girls, Sticky and Fluffy
Pouring out the seven pointer leaves now,
Ｈas well over a dozen colas on the two together.
About 75 cm tall, 30".
One L'n'L Jones female (center), two female Grail (fast pheno) x ThaiFrican (back left and right)
Tallest Grail x ThaiFrican about 100 cm tall, 40", the other Grail x ThaiFrican about 80 cm = 32", and L'n'L Jones 70cm = 28".
One revegging Grail lady, NLD pheno
Has maybe a dozen colas on her, with seven pointer leaves now.
About 75 cm tall, 30".
Peace and Love,
~MJS
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Spring-Summer Grow -- Maria among the Hazes!
Day 100
Happy day 100!
As just mentioned, there was a fair amount of rain yesterday.
But I still wanted to visit and check up on things.
Those dogs are now sometimes spending the hot days inside the bat cave.
I think I scared them more than they scared me.
Clapped my hands sharply a few times, and they scurried off out the other exit.
On site, the plants were happy in the sun, and the pots were about 70%-80% of water capacity.
I had brought in a few grams of Peters 5-12-26, to mix on site.
I put that in about 8 liters of water.
Far less water than I usually give them, but they only needed a little top up.
I watered to run off in the working area behind the balcony.
Coming back, there was activity just outside the bat cave exit.
So I had to stay inside for a little while before it was safe to come out.
Family pics
Top pot: one L'n'L Jones female (right edge), two female Grail (fast pheno) x ThaiFrican (back left and right)
Right side pot: one revegging Grail lady, NLD pheno
Bottom pot: two revegging SSSTN girls, Sticky and Fluffy (looks biggest because closest to camera)
Left: two revegging SSSTN girls, Sticky and Fluffy
Middle: one L'n'L Jones female (center front), two female Grail (fast pheno) x ThaiFrican (back left and right)
Left: one revegging Grail lady, NLD pheno
One L'n'L Jones female (center), two female Grail (fast pheno) x ThaiFrican (back left and right)
The taller Grail x ThaiFrican lady
The second (still fairly tall) Grail x ThaiFrican lady
Lovely shape on these two girls, perfect Christmas tree.
Leaves showing clear narrow leaf structure.
Lots of branching coming off both of them.
Though the taller girl is just more vigorous and so takes up most of their space.
Tallest one is up to my chest already, and the second one over my hip.
And Miss Lemon 'n' Lime Jones
In any other company she'd look like a nice sativa girl.
But next to her two pot-buddies, she's darker, more hybrid looking.
The branching off the main stem stays close to the stem, rather than spreading out.
She may be switching to flower, as she's thrown a three-leaflet leaf or two.
But otherwise no sign of stretch or flower build up at all.
Peace and Love,
~MJS
Day 100
Happy day 100!
As just mentioned, there was a fair amount of rain yesterday.
But I still wanted to visit and check up on things.
Those dogs are now sometimes spending the hot days inside the bat cave.
I think I scared them more than they scared me.
Clapped my hands sharply a few times, and they scurried off out the other exit.
On site, the plants were happy in the sun, and the pots were about 70%-80% of water capacity.
I had brought in a few grams of Peters 5-12-26, to mix on site.
I put that in about 8 liters of water.
Far less water than I usually give them, but they only needed a little top up.
I watered to run off in the working area behind the balcony.
Coming back, there was activity just outside the bat cave exit.
So I had to stay inside for a little while before it was safe to come out.
Family pics
Top pot: one L'n'L Jones female (right edge), two female Grail (fast pheno) x ThaiFrican (back left and right)
Right side pot: one revegging Grail lady, NLD pheno
Bottom pot: two revegging SSSTN girls, Sticky and Fluffy (looks biggest because closest to camera)
Left: two revegging SSSTN girls, Sticky and Fluffy
Middle: one L'n'L Jones female (center front), two female Grail (fast pheno) x ThaiFrican (back left and right)
Left: one revegging Grail lady, NLD pheno
One L'n'L Jones female (center), two female Grail (fast pheno) x ThaiFrican (back left and right)
The taller Grail x ThaiFrican lady
The second (still fairly tall) Grail x ThaiFrican lady
Lovely shape on these two girls, perfect Christmas tree.
Leaves showing clear narrow leaf structure.
Lots of branching coming off both of them.
Though the taller girl is just more vigorous and so takes up most of their space.
Tallest one is up to my chest already, and the second one over my hip.
And Miss Lemon 'n' Lime Jones
In any other company she'd look like a nice sativa girl.
But next to her two pot-buddies, she's darker, more hybrid looking.
The branching off the main stem stays close to the stem, rather than spreading out.
She may be switching to flower, as she's thrown a three-leaflet leaf or two.
But otherwise no sign of stretch or flower build up at all.
Peace and Love,
~MJS
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Spring-Summer Grow -- Maria among the Hazes!
Day 101
One revegging Grail lady, NLD pheno
Still keeping herself fairly short and small.
I guess the fact that she's in the smaller pot is the biggest limiting factor here.
But looking very happy and healthy.
Her stems are now green, whereas before they were purple.
So maybe there was some nutrient imbalance, pH issue, or the cooler temperature that caused that, not genetics.
As the original grow was a tiny rather stunted bud-stick out of the ground,
it's really lovely to see how she looks when she can grow a little first.
If she was in a bigger pot, then we'd really see her potential.
Two revegging SSSTN girls, Sticky and Fluffy
I still think this lady is the prettiest.
Deeper green, branches everywhere!
I really can't tell any difference between the two plants.
And I'm not 100% sure which original plant stump is which phenotype!
The leaves on both of them are near identical.
They should differ a lot in flower, though:
Sticky has long frond like flowers with large calyxes.
Fluffy has big round ball shaped flowers with tiny calyxes.
This is going to get interesting soon.
A couple of growing tips, which I think are from both the plants.
Can't tell any difference between them, can you?
I brought the very early L'n'L Jones flower home.
Became an ugly bud -- full of seeds, untrimmed, tiny bit of mold.
Smells are great, though. Fresh and slightly fruity.
I will need to give her some time to find her final palate.
I already poked out a dozen seeds from her, and there are plenty more.
Seeds are large, medium brown, and only slightly mottled.
Such a different flower formation than these near full sativas.
Can see the hybrid shape, very large calyxes.
Stickiness is there though!
Bats!!!
I know you're all only here for the bat cave pics.
Now that you've been patient reading my journal update.
I'll show you the bats!
Cameras on night mode.
It's very dark in there!
Up to the light above!
Peace and Love,
~MJS
Day 101
One revegging Grail lady, NLD pheno
Still keeping herself fairly short and small.
I guess the fact that she's in the smaller pot is the biggest limiting factor here.
But looking very happy and healthy.
Her stems are now green, whereas before they were purple.
So maybe there was some nutrient imbalance, pH issue, or the cooler temperature that caused that, not genetics.
As the original grow was a tiny rather stunted bud-stick out of the ground,
it's really lovely to see how she looks when she can grow a little first.
If she was in a bigger pot, then we'd really see her potential.
Two revegging SSSTN girls, Sticky and Fluffy
I still think this lady is the prettiest.
Deeper green, branches everywhere!
I really can't tell any difference between the two plants.
And I'm not 100% sure which original plant stump is which phenotype!
The leaves on both of them are near identical.
They should differ a lot in flower, though:
Sticky has long frond like flowers with large calyxes.
Fluffy has big round ball shaped flowers with tiny calyxes.
This is going to get interesting soon.
A couple of growing tips, which I think are from both the plants.
Can't tell any difference between them, can you?
I brought the very early L'n'L Jones flower home.
Became an ugly bud -- full of seeds, untrimmed, tiny bit of mold.
Smells are great, though. Fresh and slightly fruity.
I will need to give her some time to find her final palate.
I already poked out a dozen seeds from her, and there are plenty more.
Seeds are large, medium brown, and only slightly mottled.
Such a different flower formation than these near full sativas.
Can see the hybrid shape, very large calyxes.
Stickiness is there though!
Bats!!!
I know you're all only here for the bat cave pics.
Now that you've been patient reading my journal update.
I'll show you the bats!
Cameras on night mode.
It's very dark in there!
Up to the light above!
Peace and Love,
~MJS