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sterling of you to offer up a guess the yield comeptition for future grows mate lol that auto mazar is a tremendous strain and obviosuly my 1st attempt at a dutch passion product , needless to say she didnt dissapoint and im guessing this "think different" will be the same sterling work by you guys, im gonna be open and say that many people will rip your blueberry strain because it tends to hermie quite a bit but ive not yet had the pleasure myself yet of growing it out so it could well be grower related, although blueberry is probably my most favourite strain and i have the seeds to put that grow together at some point

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i think tony summed it up best by saying that its not always about how strong the smoke is its the overall effect and satisfaction that you get from the strain thats the most important part of smoking cannabis and the different effects each strain has to bring to the table means there will be a perfect strain for everybody, over in the uk the same as anywhere we do get some great strains and when people cant tell the difference between autos and regulars then you know that its going in the right direction

as always :toke:


Blueberry– that strain is sheer class Seymour, highly recommended by the Dutch Passion team. But it is one we recommend more for the experienced grower (obviously you would qualify!). The strain likes to have the nutrients at just the right levels and doesn’t respond well to the beginners error of overfeeding. She likes a stable ‘optimised’ environment and when she gets it she will yield well with generous quantities of unmistakable Blueberry bud. There seems to be something in the heritage of Blueberry that will cause it to hermie if she is stressed. And for that specific reason we have never recommended her as a strain for beginners, she is a strain for the experienced grower. Any new growers,if they are asking my advice, would be better off with a wide-latitude strain such as Skunk #1, Skunk #11 or Orange Bud. I guess you wouldn’t expect a guy that has just started growing grapes to be able to create a ‘Chateau Neuf du Pape’ in his first year and the same analogy is true with cannabis. It is a learning process, and the more skill and knowledge you acquire the better the results you can achieve.

But make no mistake; Blueberry remains the all-time top strain for so many growers simply because she has such a pleasant, exquisite and blissful peaceful high. A little goes a long way as she is also very potent. Well cured bud will last a long time in storage and still smells gorgeous. I know a grower that would swear it was just as good 3 years after harvest if stored in cool temperatures in sealed glass jars. Some highly experienced Dutch growers only ever grow Blueberry, and incidentally have never had hermie issues. This supports our view that Blueberry is a strain that needs an experienced grower to get the best out of it. We did a blog about hermaphrodites on the Dutch Passion website to try to inject some sense and science into a debate which has often lacked both. I hope the moderators don’t mind me linking to that as it is an interesting topic which you rarely see debated in a calm way.

Good points Seymour, regarding the topic of 'favourite strains'. It is very often the case that people don’t often really know what their favourite strains are until they start growing their own and trying different ones. Bag weed bought on the street is very often sold by someone who is clueless about the strain or even why that might be important to the buyer. Dutch Passion, and other seed companies, sell 6-packs of colored seeds (3 varieties per pack) specifically for the grower who wants to experience several different varieties in a single grow. The only thing the grower needs to be careful about is that the different strains may have somewhat different requirements in the growroom, e.g. nutrient regime etc.

Often, the connoisseur stoner will avoid the very strongest strains….or at least they use them sparingly. I forgot to mention that one of my other Dutch Passion colleagues was absolutely thrilled with some Durban Poison at the recent High Times cannabis cup in Amsterdam. For him it was a real revelation in terms of the sativa-high and enjoyment factor. The world of the cannabis aficionado is made so much more interesting by the fact that the various strains all have subtle differences in the effect.

When I first tried Northern Lights I swore it was the only strain for me. But since then I have said the same thing about Blueberry, White Widow, and more recently ‘The Ultimate’ which is my current favorite. Growing your own weed is a great way of getting to know the strains that suit you the most. One thing you learn in the seed business is that everyone really is different. For a seed supplier it is the customer feedback that makes the job really interesting. These days we are seeing some of the original hard core indica’s are regaining popularity. I am sure this is partly due to the boom in medical marijuana. We have just re-introduced a pure indica strain called Night Queen for the hard core stoners that don’t mind being knocked back onto the sofa for a few hours, medical growers will really love it too. The subject of the different strains really is a fascinating subject for me and I am convinced it is down to the individual cannabinoid ‘fingerprint’ of the different stabilized varieties. It’s something we are looking closely at.




 
Yes, some terrific advice Tony! I think someone here mentioned your link a while back and I read it... enlightening about sex of Cannabis in general. And I must concur... blueberry is a strain I love to always come back to... cirlce around a few different ones but always a good "grounding" so to speak with Blueberry. I agree, more for the experienced grower as well.

:smokebuds: and May I give you a personal Welcome to AFN! :toke:
 
that pretty much puts that to bed then, totaly agree on the whole plant enviroment thing, some plants can take massive feeds while others will only like smalll amounts, if you push some plants to hard they will punish you, blueberry is a proper lady and likes to be treated like a princess, if you push her to much and dont get things right she will punish you haha proper dominatrix strain who will challenge the most hardened of grower to get her right ...... love it

case in action, when i grew the auto mazar i couldnt get her to feed over 1.0 ec but this think different is now sitting @ 1.6 ec massive difference in what some strains like and what others dont, getting fully dialed in to a plants feeding habits is the hardest part and probably the key to sucsess

soo much information in this diary you should set up a classic grow diary section so they can be archived ;)

hey tony any info on when this "think different" will be released for everyone to try ?
 
that pretty much puts that to bed then, totaly agree on the whole plant enviroment thing, some plants can take massive feeds while others will only like smalll amounts, if you push some plants to hard they will punish you, blueberry is a proper lady and likes to be treated like a princess, if you push her to much and dont get things right she will punish you haha proper dominatrix strain who will challenge the most hardened of grower to get her right ...... love it

case in action, when i grew the auto mazar i couldnt get her to feed over 1.0 ec but this think different is now sitting @ 1.6 ec massive difference in what some strains like and what others dont, getting fully dialed in to a plants feeding habits is the hardest part and probably the key to sucsess

soo much information in this diary you should set up a classic grow diary section so they can be archived ;)

hey tony any info on when this "think different" will be released for everyone to try ?

Hi Seymour, you are right, this is a fascinating thread with so much in it for the grower who is interested in some of the finer detail, I am sure we will link to this thread frequently on our website and probably I will make a condensed version for the Dutch Passion weekly blog once the grow is finished. As for Think Different availability, the seeds go on general release this month. If you check the Dutch Passion website you will see that (probably later today) we launch a completely new website which has been a massive amount of work. At that point I believe we announce seed availability of Think Different and the 3 new photoperiod strains. The new website will allow all kinds of new functionality so we can have more user-feedback, comments etc. Also, this being our 25th anniversary we have all kinds of competitions etc organised. We basically outgrew the old website.
 
cheers tony ill be sure to check it out ;)

as much as i love this thread and the way its going i dont think any of us have touched up on the subject of l.e.d lights and what the difference they bring to the indoor cultivator, for me now as we become an ever more advanced civilisation we are now gaining a more indepth understanding of what plants actually use to grow in terms of the colour spectrum, back in the day it was always about hps lights because growers always thought that this was the most essential colour to make plants flower but this isnt the case, granted they do need the far red part of the spectrum to induce flowering but what about all the other colours that they need to enhance the plants full growth

growing a plant under a par spectrum is surely more beneficial than growing a plant just under a certain part of that spectrum, im sure that most l.e.d growers wil back me up on this when i say the plants take on a whole new feeding requirement when grown under these lights, if l.e.d lights are gonna play a role in the future of indoor cultivation then nutrient manufacturers will have to sit down and re-think everything they thought they new about plants requirements and then adapt to a plants changing uptake

the fact that l.e.d lights can produce the same par spectrum as 600 watt hps using only 200 watts of electricity is a + in anybodys books because you are gonna get the same results but generally use less amount of energy to do so, because par spectrum and full spectrum lights are now coming into the growers world inclucing induction lights and plasma lights are we at a turning point where we will see plants taking on a whole new dimension and producing better smoke because your prviding them with a more naturual growing enviroment, im in no way dissing on hps but i do strongly belive that hps has had its day and as we progress into the future i can see hps getting dissolved the same as house light bulbs did, everybody who i have spoken to around my way says that l.e.d grown bud tastes better and is stronger than hps grown weed, not to mention the fact you dont have to run any heat removal equipment liek you do with hps, alos the thing for me is that with hps lights your only using 30% of the lights actual watts because the other 70% of is lost in heat where as with l.e.d lights its totatly the opposite and your using more of the actual watts to grow your plants

sorry for waffling but id like to hear other peoples take on the future of indoor lighting and how par and full spectrum is better for plant growth than just the red

cheers
 
I'd have to agree Seymour,iv only got onto growing this year and use led,iv read so much info since getting mine,like you say these LEDs now use full spectrum and par that's virtually all available to the plant,I think alot of the bad rep led gets is from previous claims,when LEDs first came out led companies were claiming there panels could do things they couldn't,now the understanding and tech is in sync the panels out there do a great job,very cheap to run,no bulb change,no power spike or heat sig,,add all these together along with equal growing power and it's a no brainer if you have the money to invest,they do cost quite slot compared to hps but it's a long term solid investment with the right panel..one point I'd like to make is I wish all the led companies would give actual specs for there products,it's all a bit merky when your looking for actual wattage etc.
 
the laws of physics apply to all things that we understand, after 6mos. of research the latest model leds are the way to go and the laws of physics bears that out, all wavelenths of the electromagnetic spectrum that are benifical to plant growth are represented in these 6 and seven band lights.
in a 80% efficency as opposed to hid or mh or bispectrum lights running at 20% efficent that in combo with savings in electric and in the cost of climate control equip. it is a no brainer.
 
the laws of physics apply to all things that we understand, after 6mos. of research the latest model leds are the way to go and the laws of physics bears that out, all wavelenths of the electromagnetic spectrum that are benifical to plant growth are represented in these 6 and seven band lights.
in a 80% efficency as opposed to hid or mh or bispectrum lights running at 20% efficent that in combo with savings in electric and in the cost of climate control equip. it is a no brainer.

who said stoners were stupid lmfao

nah in all seriousness ive only ever used 1 comapnies product from the very start of my l.e.d adventures and they have never let me down and its still running as strong today as it was when i 1st bought it over a year ago and on a 20/4 light cycle

i know there was a lot of misguided info when they 1st got released and that put so many people off but i do think a lot of it has to do with reseraching the light you wanna use and actually seeing the results by someone you trust as a grower, l.e.d lights have now emerged from their infancy stage and are now going into teen years, i dont think we have seen the best of what these lights can produce yet because people are still playing around with the layouts and colours that make up each individula panel not to mention the different lenses and getting used to plants feeding regimes, ive seen so many growers on here using l.e.d lights and getting a cal/mag def because the lights increase the uptake of those nutrients

as i said as this technolgy progresses even more i can really only see good things coming out of it in the future, while i agree the price is high and that puts many people off from taking the plunge but thats always the case with any new technology wether it be plasma tvs or playstation 4s etc etc in time they will eventually come down , im a massive beliver that if the price was in the right bracket for the top end panels you would see so many people make the jump

ive paid for my panels over and over again so they really do pay for themselves, the price of street weed here in the uk is £10 a gram if i grow 1 auto that yields 112 grams ive easily paid for my light, this is my 1st full grow with a 3 watt diode panel and already im working hard to adjust to the plants needs, all of my older grows were performed under a 1 watt light so im learning so much new stuff by running an even bigger light, i suppose thats 1 of the joys of growing is that you never stop learning

most of my grows are just straight forward plant the seed and let it grow and i dont do to badly come harvest time but i think changing my style and introducing some lst or scrogging and opening the plants out or creating an even cannopy then i have it all to play for , one of my biggest goals for 2012 is to run 2 x automazars under a scrog screen using only 300 watts and go for 25oz + yield and i know that strain has the potenial to do it
 
So tony! Should I get the DP Auto Blueberry? I plan on growing it in Fox Farm Ocean Forest, very light feedings, etc etc etc. Will I get hermies?
 
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