yea bro, smoke break :smokebuds:

Found out that there is an interesting relationship between sugars and turps, turps is used in traditional medicine, apparently turps lower the sugar levels so when its taken its dripped on sugar cubes before its eaten.

..so there could be a relationship between sugar production, terps and these glandless trichomes that we see... maybe something along the lines of turps having the effect of breaking down sugar surplus in plants or something

but again, this is just the first thoughts spinning through my head, could be wayyy off

well again you are right they are all related, or at least thats what i have found when i look on line or doing research of my own. I actually think that the non glandular ones are actually the terps and the secretion that moves up them to be the result of the terp and sugar interaction. There is a chemical change in them too, they dont amber like a tric does but they do change in color. Some i have seen stay clear all the way and others look golden, almost amber but not as red i dont think.
 
I actually think that the non glandular ones are actually the terps and the secretion that moves up them to be the result of the terp and sugar interaction. There is a chemical change in them too, they dont amber like a tric does but they do change in color. Some i have seen stay clear all the way and others look golden, almost amber but not as red i dont think.

turp is not quite a clear substance afaik, but a slightly honey colored one if i recall..


another thought that is just spinning around in my head is what if there is some relationship between the different types of trichomes, maybe one type is a result or a biproduct of another type.. or maybe the different types has a symbiotic relationship with eachother?

a central question then would be whether or not all the different types of trichomes are a result of the same chemical reaction only different varieties of it, or if the different types are a result of completely different and unrelated influences on the plant...

Like for example, one type being the result of overproductions of sugars and the other being protection against insects or the sun or something else... if you get my drift

hope im able to express myself adequately, im struggling a little with my english vocab when it becomes very technical talk.. & it gets smaller with every hit from the bowl too hehe.

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:smokebuds: I totally get what you're saying Artic... Don't you love the stuff you think about when you're stoned! :smokebuds:
 
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I was just coming to dump this..better go back and look for a Terp photo...
 
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I Think the plant "hairs" are the Terps..and although we think of them as hairs..they are trics like any other..

Position on the plant..length..proportion on the real Stinkers Says that to Me.

We have a load of info these last two pages of things we REALLY need to be discussing..this includes the Change of Auto lighting that we were discussing behind the scenes.

I'm gonna have more time to get into it when I get back...coz I'm going AWOL for a few days shortly..

Also..I have Bailer in my mails with tric discussion..I haven't mailed him back yet..
coz I was thinking that it is the Kind of info we should be opening so everyone can see.

For Me..the smallest amount of info I can find is on Trics...so we should be sharing our results and Theories.

arctic..we have some GOOD..IMO..info on Terps..defining med class by the actual smell..

we have been doing a hell of a lot of Nose work..

(Ed Rosenthals new grow book..CLASS TERP INFO..nowt much on Auto..:lol:...)

We need Big discussions when I get back...:thumbs:

BTW..Zy..might be able to answer this...but for some reason...
I Think the purple is the Purer/earlier form of the plant..the green is more bred..just IMO...

For Certain...the Black that arcticsun has been showing us on those leaf tips..IS..one of the most cold tolerant pheno that I have found.



Oh..so much to talk about..
 
I Think the plant "hairs" are the Terps..and although we think of them as hairs..they are trics like any other..

You are correct here mate, this is exactly what they are the are a non glandular tric. Think of it this way, the regular tric that carries what we all like forms the head with the stalk. It grows together from what i understand.

The terp or non glandular ones grow then the glob travels up and matures out to that golden reddish color. That is the biggest difference in the two as far as growth pattern goes.


We have a load of info these last two pages of things we REALLY need to be discussing..this includes the Change of Auto lighting that we were discussing behind the scenes.

you should see the PM's i got last night from arctic, we need to pick his brain a little more about this cold stuff. There is something to it Wiz.

not mine but cold conditions......
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I'm gonna have more time to get into it when I get back...coz I'm going AWOL for a few days shortly..

:no: and just when my brain is hot with ideas....i got something for you to think about while you are gone :D

You mentioned this
I Think the purple is the Purer/earlier form of the plant..the green is more bred..just IMO...

I can see this too, only because i take a look at what is around me. Cannabis has had human assistance since the dawn of time. I mean the shit would not still be around if not. Now with that said who is to say that the first cannabis was a photo sensitive genetic make up? I am sure that once its secrets were found, it spread with travelers and nomads a like to the different areas like many other types of fruits and vegetables. Now i am not talking recent history or even the last 100 years im talking centuries ago here.

Then with the wide spread of the seed the plant began to acclimatize. Thus seeing all the different flower times. Some of the sativa's especially the equatorial hazes take way longer than the indicas, but look at where they "originate" from, the plant has fixed its self to the light schedule of the sun.

I think of it like this when i grew peppers indoors for years i learned that they do not rely on a light schedule to flower and produce fruit. They just need a lot of direct sun to produce well. Autos are the same in this aspect. They can be grown under any light condition, and that's proven with your dragon and the ones that the arctic guys are running. If you want them to bud out like crazy give them the right amount of light and wham sticky dense buds. But its apparent that they don't need that to survive and still produce in cold bitter ass conditions.

For Certain...the Black that arcticsun has been showing us on those leaf tips..IS..one of the most cold tolerant pheno that I have found.

like i told arctic last night, we know that the plant changes in cold conditions because it slows the mobility of the p element in the plant, but WHY purple, and not yellow, or the typical burn color we see with every single other plant issue?
 
Also..I have Bailer in my mails with tric discussion..I haven't mailed him back yet..
coz I was thinking that it is the Kind of info we should be opening so everyone can see.

What i was saying to wiz was. I was wondering one day how the THC and psychoactive bits are produced. It just doesn't add up to me, that the THC gland is made to shade the plant from UV's or what ever the theory is. Plants photosynthesize, so why prevent that? I get the argument about coated calyxes to protect the seed.. But... why so much of them?

What if the glad head, is used by the plant to focus light onto the psycoactive glands inside the Trichome head. On some glands when you look at them they have a couple dots where the head meets the stalk. THC production points?

It made me wonder if that is why wiz gets more ambers than us indoor guys. The light wouldn't be the same, so the trich heads can't properly produce the same compounds. Some people report better potency when they add UV supplimental light indoors.

Why would that make any difference if the glands were to protect the plant? What if the glands are just a magnifier glass to use light to make the active compounds, or to produce the reaction inside the head to make the compounds...

I suppose that doesn't account for THC less hemp..... There is how ever CBD's in hemp... So i still stand by my argument.

Or am i just smoking some good ass pot? :lol:

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It made me wonder if that is why wiz gets more ambers than us indoor guys. The light wouldn't be the same, so the trich heads can't properly produce the same compounds. Some people report better potency when they add UV supplimental light indoors.

Why would that make any difference if the glands were to protect the plant? What if the glands are just a magnifier glass to use light to make the active compounds, or to produce the reaction inside the head to make the compounds...

Now this makes sense, i see what you mean buy needing the light to corectly make the compounds blend, its like any thing artificial. yes you can reproduce it but its not identical. Meaning that we can almost duplicate the intensity but the UV aspect that the sun gives off would almost be impossible to duplicate indoor. I am going to have to change out one bulb in each fixture to a UV bulb and see what happens.

The only thing here that i see is that what benefit does the tric have to the plant at this point. If it needs the sun and the UV ray to produce the tric, what purpose does it have on the plant then if not for protection? Other than to get us high of course :lol:
 
I dont fully understand this trich talk but it's very interesting and it's made me think,i bought a blackstar LED panel and among the red and blue LEDs theres also UV and infa red from what iv read,I wonder if thats why there included on my panel as it's a flowering panel,or maybe I'm way off the Mark lol just putting it out there:bong:
 
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