Yeah that is what I was thinkin, a 1/4 per in water. I did just water today though grr. OH and the "grub" was no grub at all it was a got damn caterpillar. Now I don't know how the hell a damn caterpillar got way up here at 8k ft elevation. Well actually I do, it is one of two culprits. I have seen butterflies recently in the last few days around the farm. The other, which is much more likely is moths. I have seen lots of moths flyin around in my greenhouse at night, I keep thinking I have everthing sealed up so no buggies can get in to the massive lighted building I have illuminating the san luis valley haha. SO I have to go get some neem tomorrow that is for sure