Red Poison Nitrogen Toxicity???

[Autoflower Noob]

Dear experts is this some serious N toxicity or just a slight one? My Girls: Red Poison (35 days) and Med Gom (34 days) have been stretching like crazy during the last week and I wanted to push them to the limit, so I increased the Bio Grow amount significantly (4ml/L) also Bio heaven(4ml/L), Alg A Mic (3 ml/L) and additionally molasses. Now I have noticed that the leaves are extremely dark and the stretch has stopped totally and some leaves on the Red Poison are showing clear signs of clawing. The clawing is most evident on the tiny leaves coming out of the developing bud sites of the Red poison, while Med Gom seems to be unaffected and does not show any claws.

Red Poison: very dark leaves and claws on small leaves on developing bud sites

Med Gom: shows no claws, but the color of its leaves is also as dark as Red Poison's

I just now remembered that the companies producing Micorhizae, Trichoderma etc. state that a lot less nutrient should be used when the soil is rich with beneficial fungi and bacteria because these will make the nutes more readily available to the plants and therefore it is easier to overfeed the plants.
Well I ended up using a lot of nutes and also shitloads of Micorhizae, Trichoderma etc. in my soil

As I look at earlier pictures (day 30) of my current grow journal, I notice that they were already showing some N toxicity but I kept on feeding them high amounts of Bio Grow (4ml/L), Bio heaven(4ml/L), Alg A Mic (3 ml/L) and molasses.

Due to the fact that the stretch has stopped, I will now start feeding them with Bio Bloom and switch the lights to flower mode. The soil is saturated with a lot of Nitrogen due to the excess of Bio Grow but I will not flush my soil because this will wash out all my beneficial fungi and bacteria.

So do you think the red poison is showing serious N toxicity and what would you suggest? Should I feed the girls with Bio Bizz Bloom only from now on, or should I also add a bit of Bio heaven, Alg A Mic, Top max and molasses?

Please advise.

Many thanks!!!

Just for the info, here are my conditions:
Temps - 23
Humidity - 46
15 Litre Airpots
PH of nute solution: 6.0
Hans Panel: untill now was on veg. mode (56W) but today I switched it to flower mode (148W)
All organic: soil Bio Bizz light mix, nute Bio Bizz, Mycorrhiza, Ectomycorrhizal fungi, Endomycorrhizal fungi, Trichodermal and Beneficial soil microorganisms.
Water: good bottled water (because my tap water is extremely hard)

 

[Waira]

:smoking: 'Sup' Noob? yup, that's a bit o' N-tox. happening,... here's the deal; plants will take up and store N whether they need it or not, which is one reason why N-tox is so common; past a certain point, the N becomes too much, and symptoms start showing... so, yes, time to shift nute gears into bloom, as the plant has stored plenty of N and then some now! -- No reversing, fixing, flushing-- you got it! And right again, if you have a fizzing herd of soil 'crobes, the conversion of organic (unavailable) N into available forms will be fast.... Otherwise, they look excellent Noob, nicely done indeed all around - I see dual plateau's of buds coming on!

 

[The Elvis]

Those are some good looking plants!!!

 

[Autoflower Noob]

:smoking: 'Sup' Noob? yup, that's a bit o' N-tox. happening,... here's the deal; plants will take up and store N whether they need it or not, which is one reason why N-tox is so common; past a certain point, the N becomes too much, and symptoms start showing... so, yes, time to shift nute gears into bloom, as the plant has stored plenty of N and then some now! -- No reversing, fixing, flushing-- you got it! And right again, if you have a fizzing herd of soil 'crobes, the conversion of organic (unavailable) N into available forms will be fast.... Otherwise, they look excellent Noob, nicely done indeed all around - I see dual plateau's of buds coming on!

Many thanks for diagnosing my girls and the reputation points @Waira . Now I know that both of them have enough Nitrogen stored that will last them until harvest.
I thought that from now on I can completely cut out Nitrogen but it's just not possible even the Bio Bizz Bloom has such a high amount of Nitrogen to Phosphorous ratio .

So in your opinion, should I only feed the girls with Bio Bloom and Topmax from now on (in order to reduce the amount of Nitrogen in the feed) or can I still add a bit of Bio Heaven and Alg a Mic?

Bio Bloom: Nitrogen = 1,9% Phosphorous 6,9%
Bio Heaven: Nitrogen = 1,2%
Top Max: Nitrogen = 0,2%
Alg A Mic: Nitrogen = 0,2%


Bio Bloom:

Top Max

Alg A Mic

Bio Heaven

 

[Autoflower Noob]

Those are some good looking plants!!!

Many thanks for the kind words and reputation points @The Elvis !!!!

 

[Kakarot]

Nitro tox actually happened to a red that I just finished, it also made her stunt. I only got 11.5g off her lol! Still was really good smoke her sister however grew to be a massive 3 foot tall deep red and gave me 94 grams/3.3 Oz dry. She smells amazing a deep Earth/fruity smell. I hope the rest of your grow goes smooth bro here is some karma for ya. ​

 

[Waira]

You're welcome bud! .... Looking at the ingredients in all, it's clear in order to get full coverage and dosing of all the secondary and micro-nutrients, you'll have to use all the products as per the feed sched'/dosing recommendations,... otherwise, it's a hunt for alternative products that cover the same bases,, which I don't think is necessary, and might invite other troubles! The N levels are low to negligible anyway, so carry on for now with the bloom base nutes and the rest, and watch to see if any further progression continues,... toward the end, just make sure they get a nice cleanse period (no nuthin' ) for several days just to be sure the N is tapped out, as excess N can muck flavor up... your fans will tell the tale by then bro', if they're nice and faded, then the reserves have been drained for the most part!

 

[Autoflower Noob]

Thanks @Waira I will follow your advice, as always, and will feed my girls the whole Bio Bizz line (except Bio Bizz Grow) to make sure that they get all the nutrients they need. Bio Bizz Schedule says to give Bio Bizz Grow also during flower, but as you have confirmed my girls have enough Nitrogen stored until the end so no more Bio Grow for them. I will aslo do a nice cleanse period (no nuthin' )

Thanks for the good Karma @Kakarot !!! I will do my best to make the rest of the grow as pleasant for the girls as possible

 

[Autoflower Noob]

Hey @Kakarot did your red poison that got stunted from Nitrogen toxicity actually show some red colors or did it stay green all the way.
My red poison is now 36 days old and is showing no color change. I think the excess Nitrogen might prevent my red poison from turning red. Well this might be a theory: Too much Nitrogen = Red Poison will possibly not turn red and stay green.
Do you remember when your other red poison (that did not get stunted) start to show some red color change?

 

[Kakarot]

Hey @Kakarot did your red poison that got stunted from Nitrogen toxicity actually show some red colors or did it stay green all the way.
My red poison is now 36 days old and is showing no color change. I think the excess Nitrogen might prevent my red poison from turning red. Well this might be a theory: Too much Nitrogen = Red Poison will possibly not turn red and stay green.
Do you remember when your other red poison (that did not get stunted) start to show some red color change?

It was right around day 45 I noticed the bigger red had started to swell and was getting darker, also the leaves. Both the Mohan Ram and Red 1 we're starting to yellow while Red 2 had already reached Max height and stopped swelling not to mention NONE of the leaves had started to turn they all were still very healthy looking dark green. I also thought the same thing. The answer is yes stunted red 2 did not change color but instead the plant and dry flower looked exactly like OG green poison lol. I also noticed that instead of getting bigger and changing color she put mass loads of energy into getting frosty as hell and she had MASSIVE red hairs. I think your theory may be correct.